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Which is much less than Apple and Tidal.

by nojito 2y ago

piva00 2y ago
Tidal is in a downwards spiral because they are running out of money, Apple subsidisies Apple Music with profits from other parts of the company. The pot splitting model Spotify uses is definitely not good but the major labels are the ones with all the power, without pot splitting they wouldn't accept licencing to Spotify because they would make less money. At every filthy corner of the music industry you'll find a very sore spot: the big 4 labels control this industry. From fucking with artists where contracts requiring artists to pay back all "marketing and fees" before any royalties are distributed, royalties split usually 80:20 or 70:30 for label:artist, forcing artists to make their songs viral before they can be released (without much marketing support from the labels, the only reason they exist). It's a passion industry, and just like any other passion industry it's fraught with exploitation. Just look at game development, underpaid, overworked, because there's always someone else with passion to make a game.
- nojito 2y ago
  How is any of that relevant when Apple Music pays artists much more than Spotify?
  - piva00 2y ago
    They subsidise that from other parts of the business though. Also they don't technically pay artists aside from the self-released ones, most artists with bigger payouts aren't self-released so Apple Music just like Spotify is filling major labels coffers more than the artists' pockets That's all relevant on the comparison of why Apple Music can pay more than Spotify, unsure what you didn't get but willing to clarify.
- threeseed 2y ago
  > Apple subsidisies Apple Music with profits from other parts of the company. No evidence of this and it doesn't even make sense. EU would have a field day with it and Apple likes making money wherever it can find it.
  - piva00 2y ago
    > No evidence of this and it doesn't even make sense. How doesn't it make sense? Apple Music has fewer paying subscribers than Spotify, Apple Music prices just like Spotify's prices vary per market, Spotify pays out 70% of revenue to royalties but Apple Music is able to pay much more per stream even though it has fewer subscribers. Now think: where does the money to cover Apple Music paying royalties comes from? If they pay double what Spotify pay and Spotify is spending 70% of revenue on royalties, how can Apple Music pay double without costing double? Something has to cover, Apple Music is a loss leader product. > EU would have a field day with it and Apple likes making money wherever it can find it. Apple is making money through its aggregated services (iCloud + TV+ + Apple Music), if Apple Music is a loss leader but makes people contract the bundle which is a money maker for Apple, they will lose money on Music.
    - skaalf 2y ago
      > How doesn't it make sense? Apple Music has fewer paying subscribers than Spotify, Apple Music prices just like Spotify's prices vary per market, Spotify pays out 70% of revenue to royalties but Apple Music is able to pay much more per stream even though it has fewer subscribers. Because streaming platform do not pay per stream making pay per stream a meaningless metric. Spotify has ~half of its users using the free tier (with ads) and the other half are subscribers. On average a subscriber generates waaaaay more revenue than free users ( this is visible in Spotify's financial results). Apple does not have a "free" version. If Spotify were to simply abandon their free version and became paying subscribers only like Apple, pay per stream would almost double but at the end of the month, artists (and Spotify) would get less money. Which is preferable ? More money at the end of the month or higher pay-per-stream ? On top of that music streaming is very seasonal (total music consumption varies by month) so pay-per-stream is not even a stable metric.
barbazoo 2y ago
What are the numbers?
- givinguflac 2y ago
  https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most#section-which-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most-apple-music https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-s...

Which is much less than Apple and Tidal.

by nojito 2y ago

Which is much less than Apple and Tidal.

Tidal is in a downwards spiral because they are running out of money, Apple subsidisies Apple Music with profits from other parts of the company. The pot splitting model Spotify uses is definitely not good but the major labels are the ones with all the power, without pot splitting they wouldn't accept licencing to Spotify because they would make less money. At every filthy corner of the music industry you'll find a very sore spot: the big 4 labels control this industry. From fucking with artists where contracts requiring artists to pay back all "marketing and fees" before any royalties are distributed, royalties split usually 80:20 or 70:30 for label:artist, forcing artists to make their songs viral before they can be released (without much marketing support from the labels, the only reason they exist). It's a passion industry, and just like any other passion industry it's fraught with exploitation. Just look at game development, underpaid, overworked, because there's always someone else with passion to make a game.

nojito 2y ago
How is any of that relevant when Apple Music pays artists much more than Spotify?
- piva00 2y ago
  They subsidise that from other parts of the business though. Also they don't technically pay artists aside from the self-released ones, most artists with bigger payouts aren't self-released so Apple Music just like Spotify is filling major labels coffers more than the artists' pockets That's all relevant on the comparison of why Apple Music can pay more than Spotify, unsure what you didn't get but willing to clarify.
threeseed 2y ago
> Apple subsidisies Apple Music with profits from other parts of the company. No evidence of this and it doesn't even make sense. EU would have a field day with it and Apple likes making money wherever it can find it.
- piva00 2y ago
  > No evidence of this and it doesn't even make sense. How doesn't it make sense? Apple Music has fewer paying subscribers than Spotify, Apple Music prices just like Spotify's prices vary per market, Spotify pays out 70% of revenue to royalties but Apple Music is able to pay much more per stream even though it has fewer subscribers. Now think: where does the money to cover Apple Music paying royalties comes from? If they pay double what Spotify pay and Spotify is spending 70% of revenue on royalties, how can Apple Music pay double without costing double? Something has to cover, Apple Music is a loss leader product. > EU would have a field day with it and Apple likes making money wherever it can find it. Apple is making money through its aggregated services (iCloud + TV+ + Apple Music), if Apple Music is a loss leader but makes people contract the bundle which is a money maker for Apple, they will lose money on Music.
  - skaalf 2y ago
    > How doesn't it make sense? Apple Music has fewer paying subscribers than Spotify, Apple Music prices just like Spotify's prices vary per market, Spotify pays out 70% of revenue to royalties but Apple Music is able to pay much more per stream even though it has fewer subscribers. Because streaming platform do not pay per stream making pay per stream a meaningless metric. Spotify has ~half of its users using the free tier (with ads) and the other half are subscribers. On average a subscriber generates waaaaay more revenue than free users ( this is visible in Spotify's financial results). Apple does not have a "free" version. If Spotify were to simply abandon their free version and became paying subscribers only like Apple, pay per stream would almost double but at the end of the month, artists (and Spotify) would get less money. Which is preferable ? More money at the end of the month or higher pay-per-stream ? On top of that music streaming is very seasonal (total music consumption varies by month) so pay-per-stream is not even a stable metric.

barbazoo 2y ago

What are the numbers?

givinguflac 2y ago
https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most#section-which-streaming-service-pays-artists-the-most-apple-music https://www.loudersound.com/features/which-music-streaming-s...