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When has AWS done something like this? LB11 going from 20TB to 1TB for the same price is wild if you’d built a business on this platform.

maccard 2y ago
Never. I don't think AWS have _ever_ icnreased prices.
- glzone1 2y ago
  Right - I’ve been on them since EC2 flat network / simple DB days and was trying to remember if I ever got an email like this. I know google has jacked rates (maps etc) and killed services (I used their first paas before it was basically abandoned) I have argued online with folks about their pricing - my point usually being as soon as you try to do Netflix or YouTube on the “Free” or unlimited or ultra low cost providers - you find out it’s a lie. My impression was hetzner had started null routing customers for “abuse” who used a lot. No idea if that’s true, but used to be the way the “unlimited” VPS providers did it.
- bhouston 2y ago
  They have, but usually it is via introducing additional fees to services/transactions, eg: https://www.astuto.ai/blogs/understanding-the-aws-public-ipv4-price-hike https://www.astuto.ai/blogs/understanding-the-aws-public-ipv... https://www.wiv.ai/navigating-the-rising-tide-of-aws-pricing-a-finops-perspective-on-extended-support-fees-and-automation-strategies https://www.wiv.ai/navigating-the-rising-tide-of-aws-pricing...
  - glzone1 2y ago
    The IPv4 charge is a good one! I thought this was to allow them to be more relaxed about the limit (5 per region) which is how they used to control fully free services that cost them. But an increase for sure - they did note the supply of free ARIN allocations was gone
    - irunmyownemail 2y ago
      It's a matter of perspective, I don't do IPv6, when AWS decided to start charging for IPv4, I moved to Oracle Cloud.
- tekla 2y ago
  I believe they have for very specific services, but never for things like EC2 or RDS. There are also some EC2 instance classes where upgrading instance types in the same "size" are more expensive, but that is very rare, but I dont believe AWS has ever pulled the rug out from under you.
  - BeeOnRope 2y ago
    > There are also some EC2 instance classes where upgrading instance types in the same "size" are more expensive An increase in price has been the rule rather than the exception for recent upgrades for vanilla instance types, e.g., c, r, m types in the newest generations (6 -> 7 for x86, 6 -> 7, or -> 8 for Arm types). The increases have been modest though, perhaps around 10%. You get additional CPU and sometimes minor increases in other resources on the newer types.
  - StressedDev 2y ago
    Increasing prices is not "pulling the rug out from under you". Hertzer decided to raise their prices. Their customers can either continue using their service, reduce their use of the service, or go somewhere else. Also, we live in a time of high inflation. We should expect price increases because they value of the dollar, euro, etc. is going down.
- christina97 2y ago
  IPv4 charge caused me to have to redesign some things and cull servers for some projects.
  - irunmyownemail 2y ago
    I decided to move to Oracle Cloud when they made that move.
- hobofan 2y ago
  AWS raised the prices (/slashed the free tier) for Cognito literally last week[0], in a way that's quite similar to Hetzner. [0]: https://saasprices.net/blog/aws-price-rise https://saasprices.net/blog/aws-price-rise
- llm_nerd 2y ago
  AWS also charges multiples the price to begin with. I mean, the "scam" of AWS has always been the absolutely outrageous network egress pricing.
marcosdumay 2y ago
It's easy to never raise prices if you have 1000% markup.
- signatoremo 2y ago
  The point remains, if I was a customer who had planned my budget on the previously lower rates, this move’d be very disruptive. Herzner is an established player, not a startup, this either shows a lack of regards for customers, or that they aren’t very well run.
  - andix 2y ago
    If you need long term price security, than you need to get a long term contract. The big cloud providers will give you that if you pay them enough in advance, but probably for at least 50 times the price per TB.
andix 2y ago
If you use 20 TB each month the price will be 25.39€ instead of 5.39€. I can't think of any business that would seriously struggle with this 20€ monthly price increase. Price increases are not a nice thing, but this one is not catastrophic.
- nly 2y ago
  In % terms though?
  - baq 2y ago
    Is 500% on 5 bucks a lot?
- deskr 2y ago
  Your traffic bill is increasing by 471% and that's not OK. Bill increases don't have to be catastrophic to be bad. Remember that businesses/startups range from being well funded to not-funded-at-all-trying-to-survive. Depending on the country, 20€ can be a lot of money.
  - ragall 2y ago
    Yes,that is OK. It's still much cheaper than the alternatives.
    - pixl97 2y ago
      Ya if you're on the cheapest service and and the next cheapest service is an order of magnitude higher or more then your business is already at risk. It's a sign that it's subsidized and that a pricing shock will happen in the future.
      - ghaff 2y ago
        If it’s a competitive market you’re almost certainly exploiting some sort of anomaly that t will probably go away.
Terretta 2y ago
While perhaps not like this, AWS has from time to time ensured average rate goes up or introduced charges for something previously free: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aws-and-azure-cloud-pricing-moving-in-different-directions-as-shown-by-liftr-insights-data-301736920.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aws-and-azure-cloud... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-aws-public-ipv4-address-charge-public-ip-insights/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-aws-public-ipv4-address... https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2024/11/new-feature-tiers-essentials-plus-amazon-cognito/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2024/11/new-featu... See notes 1 and 2: https://aws.amazon.com/cognito/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/cognito/pricing/

maccard 2y ago

Never. I don't think AWS have _ever_ icnreased prices.

glzone1 2y ago
Right - I’ve been on them since EC2 flat network / simple DB days and was trying to remember if I ever got an email like this. I know google has jacked rates (maps etc) and killed services (I used their first paas before it was basically abandoned) I have argued online with folks about their pricing - my point usually being as soon as you try to do Netflix or YouTube on the “Free” or unlimited or ultra low cost providers - you find out it’s a lie. My impression was hetzner had started null routing customers for “abuse” who used a lot. No idea if that’s true, but used to be the way the “unlimited” VPS providers did it.
bhouston 2y ago
They have, but usually it is via introducing additional fees to services/transactions, eg: https://www.astuto.ai/blogs/understanding-the-aws-public-ipv4-price-hike https://www.astuto.ai/blogs/understanding-the-aws-public-ipv... https://www.wiv.ai/navigating-the-rising-tide-of-aws-pricing-a-finops-perspective-on-extended-support-fees-and-automation-strategies https://www.wiv.ai/navigating-the-rising-tide-of-aws-pricing...
- glzone1 2y ago
  The IPv4 charge is a good one! I thought this was to allow them to be more relaxed about the limit (5 per region) which is how they used to control fully free services that cost them. But an increase for sure - they did note the supply of free ARIN allocations was gone
  - irunmyownemail 2y ago
    It's a matter of perspective, I don't do IPv6, when AWS decided to start charging for IPv4, I moved to Oracle Cloud.
tekla 2y ago
I believe they have for very specific services, but never for things like EC2 or RDS. There are also some EC2 instance classes where upgrading instance types in the same "size" are more expensive, but that is very rare, but I dont believe AWS has ever pulled the rug out from under you.
- BeeOnRope 2y ago
  > There are also some EC2 instance classes where upgrading instance types in the same "size" are more expensive An increase in price has been the rule rather than the exception for recent upgrades for vanilla instance types, e.g., c, r, m types in the newest generations (6 -> 7 for x86, 6 -> 7, or -> 8 for Arm types). The increases have been modest though, perhaps around 10%. You get additional CPU and sometimes minor increases in other resources on the newer types.
- StressedDev 2y ago
  Increasing prices is not "pulling the rug out from under you". Hertzer decided to raise their prices. Their customers can either continue using their service, reduce their use of the service, or go somewhere else. Also, we live in a time of high inflation. We should expect price increases because they value of the dollar, euro, etc. is going down.
christina97 2y ago
IPv4 charge caused me to have to redesign some things and cull servers for some projects.
- irunmyownemail 2y ago
  I decided to move to Oracle Cloud when they made that move.
hobofan 2y ago
AWS raised the prices (/slashed the free tier) for Cognito literally last week[0], in a way that's quite similar to Hetzner. [0]: https://saasprices.net/blog/aws-price-rise https://saasprices.net/blog/aws-price-rise
llm_nerd 2y ago
AWS also charges multiples the price to begin with. I mean, the "scam" of AWS has always been the absolutely outrageous network egress pricing.

marcosdumay 2y ago

It's easy to never raise prices if you have 1000% markup.

signatoremo 2y ago
The point remains, if I was a customer who had planned my budget on the previously lower rates, this move’d be very disruptive. Herzner is an established player, not a startup, this either shows a lack of regards for customers, or that they aren’t very well run.
- andix 2y ago
  If you need long term price security, than you need to get a long term contract. The big cloud providers will give you that if you pay them enough in advance, but probably for at least 50 times the price per TB.

andix 2y ago

If you use 20 TB each month the price will be 25.39€ instead of 5.39€. I can't think of any business that would seriously struggle with this 20€ monthly price increase. Price increases are not a nice thing, but this one is not catastrophic.

nly 2y ago
In % terms though?
- baq 2y ago
  Is 500% on 5 bucks a lot?
deskr 2y ago
Your traffic bill is increasing by 471% and that's not OK. Bill increases don't have to be catastrophic to be bad. Remember that businesses/startups range from being well funded to not-funded-at-all-trying-to-survive. Depending on the country, 20€ can be a lot of money.
- ragall 2y ago
  Yes,that is OK. It's still much cheaper than the alternatives.
  - pixl97 2y ago
    Ya if you're on the cheapest service and and the next cheapest service is an order of magnitude higher or more then your business is already at risk. It's a sign that it's subsidized and that a pricing shock will happen in the future.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      If it’s a competitive market you’re almost certainly exploiting some sort of anomaly that t will probably go away.

Terretta 2y ago

While perhaps not like this, AWS has from time to time ensured average rate goes up or introduced charges for something previously free: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aws-and-azure-cloud-pricing-moving-in-different-directions-as-shown-by-liftr-insights-data-301736920.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aws-and-azure-cloud... https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-aws-public-ipv4-address-charge-public-ip-insights/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-aws-public-ipv4-address... https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2024/11/new-feature-tiers-essentials-plus-amazon-cognito/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2024/11/new-featu... See notes 1 and 2: https://aws.amazon.com/cognito/pricing/ https://aws.amazon.com/cognito/pricing/