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OpenAI hits pause on video model Sora after artists leak access in protest
- daniel_iversen 2y agoI’d love to see the contract those artists signed! I’m sure they did, or should have, gone in with their eyes wide open, and not sure what they expected from OpenAI (since clearly there wouldn’t have been any mention of payment in the contract), or whether OpenAI started asking them for a lot of work maybe (that’s the only thing I can think of that would give them the right to complain)?
- HPsquared 2y agoThey probably signed up for the purpose of doing this. People don't usually change their opinions that easily, especially a total 180 from "volunteering to support OpenAI" to directly the opposite.
- jdenning 2y agohttps://archive.is/8sKXF https://archive.is/8sKXF
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- aabhay 2y ago“Hundreds of artists provide unpaid labor through bug testing, feedback and experimental work for the program for a $150B valued company” This is a hilarious basis for protest
- dyauspitr 2y agoSo stupid. I realize artists are panicking but this angle just makes them look like Luddite villains.
- willio58 2y agoI highly recommend reading about luddites! This Smithsonian article covers the topic well: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-the-luddites-really-fought-against-264412/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/what-the-luddites-rea... Basically luddites were never the bad ones, they were protestors against abusive working conditions. They did sabotage the owners of the mills that paid them so poorly, sometimes by destroying machinery, but it was really an underground labor movement that’s super cool to learn about.
- CamperBob2 2y agoNo, there was nothing "super cool" about the Luddites. Stop trying to rehabilitate these thugs. Failing that, do it someplace other than a site called "Hacker News."
- yyuugg 2y agoLuddites were highly educated, skilled workers whose work was being replaced by machines. They just wanted to operate the machines and share in the increased productivity. There's absolutely no parallels here, to AI. A machine that is taking work from highly skilled labor ohhhh wait
- pineaux 2y ago[flagged]
- CamperBob2 2y agoIf a machine can take your work, perhaps you weren't as "highly skilled" as you thought you were.
- Blahah 2y agoUnless they volunteered precisely so that they would have early access and could leak it, which would be sensible.
- pineaux 2y agoWhich is what they did. So openAI was tricked, boohoo. Should be applauded here on h@x0rn3wz
- hulitu 2y ago> > unpaid labor through bug testing, feedback and experimental work for the program for a $150B valued company” > This is a hilarious basis for protest Of course. Every CEO works for free these days. /s
- esperent 2y agoA huge company is using unpaid artist's labour to create tools that will reduce the potential for these and all future artists to get any paid work at all in the future. It seems like signing up as the volunteer with the goal of derailing the company as much as possible is a highly valid form of ptotest.
- Ratelman 2y agoThere are better ways to protest than violating a legally binding agreement - seems more like an emotional reaction than a properly thought through protest.
- bryant 2y agoIn fairness, some of the most effective protests have gone much further than that — they've broken laws. (See basically every civil rights protest) Breaking contracts seems tame by comparison.
- Ratelman 2y agoFair point - and I suppose we are on HACKERnews - and they are OPENAI, so helping them be more open is an effective form of protest.
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- Retr0id 2y agoThe most effective forms of protest usually are illegal
- Ratelman 2y agoTrue, true - didn't think that one through
- HPsquared 2y agoIt's risky though, if the protest is annoying or damaging enough (antisocial behaviour basically) it can actively turn people away from your position. As in "Oh these are a bunch of insane/evil/violent etc people and that type of person tends to have this type of view, I as a good person do not have these kinds of views"
- yyuugg 2y ago"We are doing labor, and are not being fairly compensated for our labor" is a hilarious basis? How so?
- andersa 2y agoThey are free to stop doing it for free? I don't understand.
- yyuugg 2y agoMaybe they object to the idea that anyone's labor should be used, for free, to enrich the wealthy. I don't think that's a terrible stance to have, abstractly. I dunno if that was the case here.
- moi2388 2y agoThen they simply should not have opted in. I didn’t?
- esperent 2y agoThey opted in with the express purpose of protesting, it seems.
- rat9988 2y agoYou mean sabotaging.
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- meheleventyone 2y agoSomeone linked the actual open letter above: https://huggingface.co/spaces/PR-Puppets/PR-Puppet-Sora https://huggingface.co/spaces/PR-Puppets/PR-Puppet-Sora If you read it they state quite clearly that they feel like their participation was different than they expected it to be and that's why they are upset.
- yread 2y agoYeah, hilarious. Now lets go back to working on open source so that corporations can use it and openai can train on it
- pineaux 2y agoHilariously correct you mean?
- benreesman 2y agoA lot of people refused to hang out with Diddy even if they could put their finger on exactly why. I know more than most, but the sexual assault allegations and shady restructuring and abuse of the the political process and the multiple firings for financial fraud and, well a lot of stuff, that’s all public record. Matt Gaetz got run out of DC for less.
- MostlyStable 2y agoThis is so weird. They are mad that they didn't get paid for voluntarily participating in a program that never offered any pay? There are legitimate artist complaints around AI (I don't always agree with them, but they are reasonable complaints to have and are part of very important conversations about how society chooses to interact with AI), but this has got to be the silliest one I have heard so far.
- throwaway290 2y agoMaybe they agreed first and later realized that if they help ClosedAI murder their future careers and careers of other artists they might as well get paid for it.
- dyauspitr 2y agoProbably blown away by what was possible so they panicked.
- 0points 2y agoBy judging from those videos, nothing can be further from the truth. Every single video is riddled by visual artifacts just like the still images. I saw a shaking rubiks cube, a shrinking cola bottle, and two dogs jumping into eachother and swapping places in a ridiculous way. No artist should be threatened by this nonsense. Can't wait for the hype to die.
- shkkmo 2y ago> This is so weird. They are mad that they didn't get paid for voluntarily participating in a program that never offered any pay? Companies have been getting ever bolder about abusing volunteer and crowd sourced labor. When the participants are bound by strict NDAs, I think some skepticism is in order. All we really can tell is that non-neglibigle percentage of the participants in a limited access program were creeped out enough to be willing to blow up their access to call attention to it. I don't think this story is really even about AI at all, but about labor practices.
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- it_citizen 2y agoLooking at the examples here: https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1861450051085545880 https://x.com/kimmonismus/status/1861450051085545880 It seems pretty underwhelming compared to what was shown in early 2024 no?
- irjustin 2y agoWow yeah. The pixelation makes it hard but chopstick pens, pages moving, cars crossing over eachother. Demo's gonna demo.
- rafram 2y agoYeah, for all the talk of Sora building an internal “world model” that could be a building block for AGI… this seems to suffer from all the same glitches as the Will Smith spaghetti video, just with much, much more polish. I don’t think it’s that much worse than what OpenAI showed off earlier in the year when you consider that those examples were very cherry-picked, though. These new videos don’t make it seem like a bad model, they’re just a bit more realistically mediocre.
- samsartor 2y agoAnyone who works closely with diffusion models knows the "world model" thing was hype. Diffusion models are really good at faking, starting with nonsensical large-scale structure and forcing it towards plausibility with lots of nice details.
- Jordan-117 2y agoApparently they only had access to the light/turbo model, not the full one.
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- add-sub-mul-div 2y agoI wish the slop era would just get up to speed already so it can be seen for what it is.
- immibis 2y agoIt's already here even without pervasive video AI. We had text slop before LLMs too.
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- 9o1d 2y agoDoesn't the law establish a minimum wage? Who violates the rights of the working person?
- dumpsterdiver 2y agoI’m convinced Sora will finally motivate me to finish my novel, and I’m so excited about that.
- HPsquared 2y agoGenAI has been a huge boon to my creativity as well. It does the donkey work.
- sebastiennight 2y agoI'm curious; how does a video generation model motivate you towards finishing your novel?
- dumpsterdiver 2y agoLate reply, but basically I would end up writing myself into a corner and discover that I didn’t have a great plan to get out of it (this exposes my tendency to skip the initial planning process and just write). Those are the moments I would like to put in front of me in order to take stock of where I’ve carried the story. I think it would be helpful to drop into the story at the moment I’m stuck and take a look around. Take in the scenery. Does everything look right? What’s missing? And most importantly, what paths forward present themselves in this scene?
- HPsquared 2y agoA bit of buzz, free publicity if anything. It's a competitive space.
- orbital-decay 2y agoIn other news, Sora still exists. I thought they were never going to release it, there are comparable/better commercial options now.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoThe top Video models will not arise in the west where Hollywood rules.