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Here's an article for those who'd rather read than watch someone's youtube video: https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/d-link-says-it-wont-patch-60-000-older

Here's an article for those who'd rather read than watch someone's youtube video: https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/d-link-says-it-wont-patch-60-000-older-modems-as-theyre-not-worth-saving https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/d-link-says-it-wont-p... Dlink has a long history of putting out insecure and even backdoored devices and so anyone with a dlink device is probably better off buying something different

xyst 2y ago
Another 60,000 devices ripe for malicious entities to use in their botnet.
- chipdart 2y ago
  > Another 60,000 devices ripe for malicious entities to use in their botnet. Right, my immediate reaction after reading the title was that D-Link might not patch their hardware, but others certainly will.
  - daghamm 2y ago
    Speaking of things others could do: Dlink competitors should use this in their marketing.
    - bell-cot 2y ago
      How much of Dlink's target market would both understand and care?
      - sbarre 2y ago
        I think, thankfully, that the average user is increasingly aware of these kinds of problems, and hopefully the era of companies being this irresponsible is starting to come to an end. Anecdotally, my elderly parents have asked me questions about ransomware and "our house getting hacked" because of segments they've seen on the mainstream nightly news. So the awareness is out there..
- nubinetwork 2y ago
  Is it any easier than the millions of IP cameras, DVRs and WAN accessible modems and routers (from other manufacturers, particularly from China or South America)?
dang 2y ago
Ok, we've changed to that from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52v6gKPA4TM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52v6gKPA4TM above. Thanks!
TacticalCoder 2y ago
> Dlink has a long history of putting out insecure and even backdoored devices and so anyone with a dlink device is probably better off buying something different Except for unmanaged switches. These little D-Link unmanaged switches are little workhorses: I've got several so old I don't remember when I bought them. I take it D-Link didn't manage to fuck up even unmanaged switch? But seen their approach to security, I probably won't buy D-Link again.
- remuskaos 2y ago
  I think they actually did manage to fuck up even the small unmanaged switches. I have three unmanaged switches at home, one on the ground floor and two in the first floor. Ground floor is an 8 port netgear, first floor are one to link and one d link. Every couple of weeks, the entire wired network goes down. Not even pinging adresses works. The d links ports leds are all flashing (perfectly in sync!) until I power cycle it. Then everything goes back to normal. I have no idea what happens, and I should probably replace the d link soon.
  - bayindirh 2y ago
    I have a couple of TP-Link unmanaged 4 port SOHO switches. They're pretty reliable so far.
    - remuskaos 2y ago
      The TP Link (typo in my other post) and the Netgear are reliable, only the D Link causes issues.
  - bombela 2y ago
    Jumbo frames? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame
    - remuskaos 2y ago
      I haven't enabled jumbo frames knowingly on my system, but even if I had, why would the issue occur only every few weeks? Also, it seems to be rather independent of the actual network load.
xp84 2y ago
This isn’t snark, but I didn’t think DLink was really a player anymore. Did they pivot? It used to be (like 20 years ago) they were like the #3 consumer brand after Linksys and Netgear. Now, it seems like the players are Eero, ASUS, Netgear, Linksys, TP-Link, Google. I haven’t even seen a DLink product in a store (online or not) or in the wild, in a decade. Edit: checked their site: apparently they are still in the game, I guess just nobody buys them
- Melatonic 2y ago
  I remember them always being the cheap budget option - assuming that's still the case
  - xp84 2y ago
    100% agree, I only dealt with them at somebody else’s house when they had cheaped out. Only thing I liked about them is that they had “emulators” on their website which would let you see a dummy version of the UI of any router, which was invaluable for someone doing informal remote IT since you could walk someone through configuring it by knowing exactly what the config pages looked like. Useful especially since remote screen sharing was tougher 15 years ago.

xyst 2y ago

Another 60,000 devices ripe for malicious entities to use in their botnet.

chipdart 2y ago
> Another 60,000 devices ripe for malicious entities to use in their botnet. Right, my immediate reaction after reading the title was that D-Link might not patch their hardware, but others certainly will.
- daghamm 2y ago
  Speaking of things others could do: Dlink competitors should use this in their marketing.
  - bell-cot 2y ago
    How much of Dlink's target market would both understand and care?
    - sbarre 2y ago
      I think, thankfully, that the average user is increasingly aware of these kinds of problems, and hopefully the era of companies being this irresponsible is starting to come to an end. Anecdotally, my elderly parents have asked me questions about ransomware and "our house getting hacked" because of segments they've seen on the mainstream nightly news. So the awareness is out there..
nubinetwork 2y ago
Is it any easier than the millions of IP cameras, DVRs and WAN accessible modems and routers (from other manufacturers, particularly from China or South America)?

dang 2y ago

Ok, we've changed to that from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52v6gKPA4TM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52v6gKPA4TM above. Thanks!

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> Dlink has a long history of putting out insecure and even backdoored devices and so anyone with a dlink device is probably better off buying something different Except for unmanaged switches. These little D-Link unmanaged switches are little workhorses: I've got several so old I don't remember when I bought them. I take it D-Link didn't manage to fuck up even unmanaged switch? But seen their approach to security, I probably won't buy D-Link again.

remuskaos 2y ago
I think they actually did manage to fuck up even the small unmanaged switches. I have three unmanaged switches at home, one on the ground floor and two in the first floor. Ground floor is an 8 port netgear, first floor are one to link and one d link. Every couple of weeks, the entire wired network goes down. Not even pinging adresses works. The d links ports leds are all flashing (perfectly in sync!) until I power cycle it. Then everything goes back to normal. I have no idea what happens, and I should probably replace the d link soon.
- bayindirh 2y ago
  I have a couple of TP-Link unmanaged 4 port SOHO switches. They're pretty reliable so far.
  - remuskaos 2y ago
    The TP Link (typo in my other post) and the Netgear are reliable, only the D Link causes issues.
- bombela 2y ago
  Jumbo frames? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame
  - remuskaos 2y ago
    I haven't enabled jumbo frames knowingly on my system, but even if I had, why would the issue occur only every few weeks? Also, it seems to be rather independent of the actual network load.

xp84 2y ago

This isn’t snark, but I didn’t think DLink was really a player anymore. Did they pivot? It used to be (like 20 years ago) they were like the #3 consumer brand after Linksys and Netgear. Now, it seems like the players are Eero, ASUS, Netgear, Linksys, TP-Link, Google. I haven’t even seen a DLink product in a store (online or not) or in the wild, in a decade. Edit: checked their site: apparently they are still in the game, I guess just nobody buys them

Melatonic 2y ago
I remember them always being the cheap budget option - assuming that's still the case
- xp84 2y ago
  100% agree, I only dealt with them at somebody else’s house when they had cheaped out. Only thing I liked about them is that they had “emulators” on their website which would let you see a dummy version of the UI of any router, which was invaluable for someone doing informal remote IT since you could walk someone through configuring it by knowing exactly what the config pages looked like. Useful especially since remote screen sharing was tougher 15 years ago.