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TLDR; People who drank coffee regularly had higher levels (eight times) of a gut bacteria called Lawsonibacter asaccharolyticus. The research team acknowledges

TLDR; People who drank coffee regularly had higher levels (eight times) of a gut bacteria called Lawsonibacter asaccharolyticus. The research team acknowledges that they do not know what impact higher levels of L. asaccharolyticus may have on people, but suggest it is likely associated with health benefits that have been attributed to coffee drinking.

Qem 2y ago
I wonder if decaf has the same effect.
- gdjskshh 2y ago
  Hedge your bets - drink decaf instead of regular every other day. Nicotine gum sort of helps for the decaf days. I'm looking for other non-caff stimulant options if anyone has thoughts.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    Yerba mate is differently caffeinated (hopefully you know decaf is really just half caff), plus it's kinda fun getting the gourd and the bomba. I recommend meta mate out of Berlin, they export the good stuff out of Brazil, much greener than grocery store / commodity varieties There's mushroom coffees that claim to be stimulating, you can look at four sigma for that, tho my favorite was their instant coffee with cordyceps, good pre workout. Then there is breathwork of the wimhof variety, "get high on your own supply" deep breathing and ice baths, all natural.
    - SapporoChris 2y ago
      Regarding decaf. "The authors suggest the following standard values for the United States: coffee (5 oz) 85 mg for ground roasted coffee, 60 mg for instant and 3 mg for decaffeinated" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8603790/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8603790/
    - drgo 2y ago
      just get unsmoked yerba and never drink it burning hot to lower the risk of esophageal cancer
    - esperent 2y ago
      > hopefully you know decaf is really just half caff In the US, to be labelled as decaf more than 99% of caffeine must be removed. The EU wording, iirc, is a bit weird but amounts to essentially the same requirement. So decaf really is decaf. The only people who might notice some effect are those who never drink any caffeinated drinks at all, and even then I'd say they wouldn't notice much.
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    please do not casually recommend nicotine to people. it is not like caffeine. maybe you are able to use it a little without getting addicted, but that would make you an outlier. it is not a replacement for a cup of coffee in any form, and you're casually suggesting others play fast and loose with a nasty and horribly addictive substance. God and nicotine gum is so nasty, it makes you burp and has this weird acrid chemical taste. Just awful.
    - gdjskshh 2y ago
      The mode of injestion impacts how addictive something is. Nicotine via gum is less addictive that smoking, which is less addictive than vaping. The unpleasant experience you describe also helps to limit addictiveness, as does not using two days in a row. I find caffeine much more addictive than nicotine. We're all different.
  - blacksmith_tb 2y ago
    Ephedra[1] aka "Mormon tea" or Ma Huang, though it can cause palpitations (and clear your sinuses, something for everyone). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_(plant)#Human_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_(plant)#Human_use
aaron695 2y ago
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8bitsrule 2y ago
More on Lawsonibacter asaccharolyticus here [0]. It's a butyrate (butryic acid) producer. [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013597/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013597/
- Melatonic 2y ago
  Normally I'm very skeptical of the pro coffee health studies or effects but if true that's actually great for gut health - Butyrate is one of the essential fatty acids and helps the lining of the GI track repair itself and reduces inflammation
dagurp 2y ago
But the title says it has great effect
- jhugo 2y ago
  You have to read all the words. Great effect on the gut biome.
stubish 2y ago
The interesting bit isn't coffee, but the insight that how foods train our gut biome could be the source of particular effects. Maybe we have been looking for anti-whatever properties in the wrong place.

Qem 2y ago

I wonder if decaf has the same effect.

gdjskshh 2y ago
Hedge your bets - drink decaf instead of regular every other day. Nicotine gum sort of helps for the decaf days. I'm looking for other non-caff stimulant options if anyone has thoughts.
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Yerba mate is differently caffeinated (hopefully you know decaf is really just half caff), plus it's kinda fun getting the gourd and the bomba. I recommend meta mate out of Berlin, they export the good stuff out of Brazil, much greener than grocery store / commodity varieties There's mushroom coffees that claim to be stimulating, you can look at four sigma for that, tho my favorite was their instant coffee with cordyceps, good pre workout. Then there is breathwork of the wimhof variety, "get high on your own supply" deep breathing and ice baths, all natural.
  - SapporoChris 2y ago
    Regarding decaf. "The authors suggest the following standard values for the United States: coffee (5 oz) 85 mg for ground roasted coffee, 60 mg for instant and 3 mg for decaffeinated" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8603790/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8603790/
  - drgo 2y ago
    just get unsmoked yerba and never drink it burning hot to lower the risk of esophageal cancer
  - esperent 2y ago
    > hopefully you know decaf is really just half caff In the US, to be labelled as decaf more than 99% of caffeine must be removed. The EU wording, iirc, is a bit weird but amounts to essentially the same requirement. So decaf really is decaf. The only people who might notice some effect are those who never drink any caffeinated drinks at all, and even then I'd say they wouldn't notice much.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  please do not casually recommend nicotine to people. it is not like caffeine. maybe you are able to use it a little without getting addicted, but that would make you an outlier. it is not a replacement for a cup of coffee in any form, and you're casually suggesting others play fast and loose with a nasty and horribly addictive substance. God and nicotine gum is so nasty, it makes you burp and has this weird acrid chemical taste. Just awful.
  - gdjskshh 2y ago
    The mode of injestion impacts how addictive something is. Nicotine via gum is less addictive that smoking, which is less addictive than vaping. The unpleasant experience you describe also helps to limit addictiveness, as does not using two days in a row. I find caffeine much more addictive than nicotine. We're all different.
- blacksmith_tb 2y ago
  Ephedra[1] aka "Mormon tea" or Ma Huang, though it can cause palpitations (and clear your sinuses, something for everyone). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_(plant)#Human_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra_(plant)#Human_use

aaron695 2y ago

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8bitsrule 2y ago

More on Lawsonibacter asaccharolyticus here [0]. It's a butyrate (butryic acid) producer. [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013597/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6013597/

Melatonic 2y ago
Normally I'm very skeptical of the pro coffee health studies or effects but if true that's actually great for gut health - Butyrate is one of the essential fatty acids and helps the lining of the GI track repair itself and reduces inflammation

dagurp 2y ago

But the title says it has great effect

jhugo 2y ago
You have to read all the words. Great effect on the gut biome.

stubish 2y ago

The interesting bit isn't coffee, but the insight that how foods train our gut biome could be the source of particular effects. Maybe we have been looking for anti-whatever properties in the wrong place.