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I remember seeing this terminal emulator, deciding to give it a shot to see what the deal is, and being asked to sign in. I have never uninstalled a program fas

I remember seeing this terminal emulator, deciding to give it a shot to see what the deal is, and being asked to sign in. I have never uninstalled a program faster in my life. I think I'll just stick to iTerm.

netspider 2y ago
Just like arc web browser i think this is the worst business model
- talldayo 2y ago
  Yeah. "Pay us a recurring fee so we don't make your experience worse" is a business model that flat-out doesn't work with power users, I think. Most of us are old enough to have seen our favorite paid software turn into bloated cloud-based subscription software - we don't want different flavors of the same moldy ice cream. Warp is just something that will, quite honestly, never appeal to me. I don't think the UI is bad, I don't think their featureset is bad, but I also have no desire to use a proprietary terminal app. Tilix is open source and has worked fine for the past 10 years - I'm not giving it up for a chic frosted-glass background and some syntactic eye-candy for bash.
  - extr 2y ago
    I personally will pay a subscription for literally every piece of software I use if it means the software makes me more productive. On an hourly basis my time is worth more than $100/hr. That means if a subscription tool is $10/month it only needs to save me 6 minutes of time, per month, to make it worth it.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      Hah! I would never, but I guess that's why good options exist for the both of us. If someone pitched me a six-minute timesaver that costs as much as a cup of coffee, I'd gently remind them that I bought an espresso machine years ago. My fear of paid software mostly stems from not actually owning what I pay for. I know people who are (horrifyingly) unable to use Git without a paid GUI that handles everything for them. If one day they update their computer and it's unsupported, or if the developer quits updating it, they've gotta learn a new UI. I'd rather just learn how to use the original tool quickly, and save myself a few hundred hours with 2 or 3 macros. To each their own. I've paid for too much software that has gone to shit in the past, and I'm perfectly productive with free tools I can actually own.
  - ksp-atlas 2y ago
    Even then, there are a bunch of fancy terminals with those kinda features, like iterm and wezterm
- lykahb 2y ago
  Terminals don't take much effort to maintain compared to a browser. But most browsers rely on the ad revenue. The business models of the old Opera or Arc feel fresh.
- schnable 2y ago
  I would love to pay for Arc, it makes me happy and productive. Unfortunately, it seems like the number of people willing to do is too small to support VC valuations and they are abandoning the product :(
  - CryptoBanker 2y ago
    Do you have a source for that?
    - jacobwg 2y ago
      https://youtu.be/E9yZ0JusME4 https://youtu.be/E9yZ0JusME4 and the CEO on Twitter are the main sources for Arc being in maintenance mode as they work on their new product.
- deprecative 2y ago
  As soon as I got to that screen I uninstalled. I don't want an account for every single thing I use.
ghusto 2y ago
Never understood why people use iTerm. I know back in the day it was because of the lack of tabs in Terminal.app, but tabs were added long ago and tmux was always a better option for that kind of functionality anyway. Genuinely curious because I feel like I'm missing something. I tried it again a while ago and still couldn't see anything I couldn't already do.
- jamesponddotco 2y ago
  My Neovim color scheme doesn’t work on Terminal.app. That’s, literally, the only reason I chose iTerm.
- conceptme 2y ago
  Can it split windows too and have some simple way to select the content?
- atombender 2y ago
  Tons of features. - Multiple profiles - Logging of terminal output to files - Regexp search - Search marks matches in the scrollbar - Quick jump between prompts — it knows where prompts are in the output, so you can quickly scroll to each position - Window splitting - Filtering — like find, but filters the window to only show matches - Triggers: Do an action such as bouncing the app icon or playing a sound when a text string occurs) - Status bar: Show the Git branch, current directory, etc. — better than custom prompts - Preserves windows/tabs on restart/reboot, even current directory and window contents - Cmd-Click to open files and URLs I bet Terminal.app has gained some of these features over the years , but it certainly doesn't have have all of them.
  - runjake 2y ago
    Yes! Also: - Minimal theme mode for a more simplified window appearance.
  - ghusto 2y ago
    There are a couple of things here making it worth me checking it out again, thanks :) But yes you're right, most of these are in the Terminal+Tmux combo already.
zachlloyd 2y ago
fair criticism, and this is the reason we removed the login requirement. just to clarify though, the point of the login is that we have features that cost money to provide like AI and collaboration, not anything more nefarious, but i get that it's a new behavior and reasonable devs might not like it.
- jakebasile 2y ago
  I appreciate that you've changed it and truly wish you luck! An alternative that would've have made me immediately uninstall would be to just block those account-requiring features behind a login. Not even letting me get a local Zsh prompt without logging in was too much.

netspider 2y ago

Just like arc web browser i think this is the worst business model

talldayo 2y ago
Yeah. "Pay us a recurring fee so we don't make your experience worse" is a business model that flat-out doesn't work with power users, I think. Most of us are old enough to have seen our favorite paid software turn into bloated cloud-based subscription software - we don't want different flavors of the same moldy ice cream. Warp is just something that will, quite honestly, never appeal to me. I don't think the UI is bad, I don't think their featureset is bad, but I also have no desire to use a proprietary terminal app. Tilix is open source and has worked fine for the past 10 years - I'm not giving it up for a chic frosted-glass background and some syntactic eye-candy for bash.
- extr 2y ago
  I personally will pay a subscription for literally every piece of software I use if it means the software makes me more productive. On an hourly basis my time is worth more than $100/hr. That means if a subscription tool is $10/month it only needs to save me 6 minutes of time, per month, to make it worth it.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    Hah! I would never, but I guess that's why good options exist for the both of us. If someone pitched me a six-minute timesaver that costs as much as a cup of coffee, I'd gently remind them that I bought an espresso machine years ago. My fear of paid software mostly stems from not actually owning what I pay for. I know people who are (horrifyingly) unable to use Git without a paid GUI that handles everything for them. If one day they update their computer and it's unsupported, or if the developer quits updating it, they've gotta learn a new UI. I'd rather just learn how to use the original tool quickly, and save myself a few hundred hours with 2 or 3 macros. To each their own. I've paid for too much software that has gone to shit in the past, and I'm perfectly productive with free tools I can actually own.
- ksp-atlas 2y ago
  Even then, there are a bunch of fancy terminals with those kinda features, like iterm and wezterm
lykahb 2y ago
Terminals don't take much effort to maintain compared to a browser. But most browsers rely on the ad revenue. The business models of the old Opera or Arc feel fresh.
schnable 2y ago
I would love to pay for Arc, it makes me happy and productive. Unfortunately, it seems like the number of people willing to do is too small to support VC valuations and they are abandoning the product :(
- CryptoBanker 2y ago
  Do you have a source for that?
  - jacobwg 2y ago
    https://youtu.be/E9yZ0JusME4 https://youtu.be/E9yZ0JusME4 and the CEO on Twitter are the main sources for Arc being in maintenance mode as they work on their new product.
deprecative 2y ago
As soon as I got to that screen I uninstalled. I don't want an account for every single thing I use.

ghusto 2y ago

Never understood why people use iTerm. I know back in the day it was because of the lack of tabs in Terminal.app, but tabs were added long ago and tmux was always a better option for that kind of functionality anyway. Genuinely curious because I feel like I'm missing something. I tried it again a while ago and still couldn't see anything I couldn't already do.

jamesponddotco 2y ago
My Neovim color scheme doesn’t work on Terminal.app. That’s, literally, the only reason I chose iTerm.
conceptme 2y ago
Can it split windows too and have some simple way to select the content?
atombender 2y ago
Tons of features. - Multiple profiles - Logging of terminal output to files - Regexp search - Search marks matches in the scrollbar - Quick jump between prompts — it knows where prompts are in the output, so you can quickly scroll to each position - Window splitting - Filtering — like find, but filters the window to only show matches - Triggers: Do an action such as bouncing the app icon or playing a sound when a text string occurs) - Status bar: Show the Git branch, current directory, etc. — better than custom prompts - Preserves windows/tabs on restart/reboot, even current directory and window contents - Cmd-Click to open files and URLs I bet Terminal.app has gained some of these features over the years , but it certainly doesn't have have all of them.
- runjake 2y ago
  Yes! Also: - Minimal theme mode for a more simplified window appearance.
- ghusto 2y ago
  There are a couple of things here making it worth me checking it out again, thanks :) But yes you're right, most of these are in the Terminal+Tmux combo already.

zachlloyd 2y ago

fair criticism, and this is the reason we removed the login requirement. just to clarify though, the point of the login is that we have features that cost money to provide like AI and collaboration, not anything more nefarious, but i get that it's a new behavior and reasonable devs might not like it.

jakebasile 2y ago
I appreciate that you've changed it and truly wish you luck! An alternative that would've have made me immediately uninstall would be to just block those account-requiring features behind a login. Not even letting me get a local Zsh prompt without logging in was too much.