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I have a fatal attraction to a good overwrought get off my lawn, but I can't get over that there's a jump in paragraph 2 I can't follow. What do you mean by sh

I have a fatal attraction to a good overwrought get off my lawn, but I can't get over that there's a jump in paragraph 2 I can't follow. What do you mean by shape? Generally, safety is proportional to the relative weight of your car in the collision. The F150, generously, is 2/3 the weight. (median F150 vs. lowest cybertruck) Generally, when people discuss car safety in the context of SUVs, they're discussing this weight. Rest of the stuff seems irrelevant or strawmen I've never seen (truck is antichrist!?; you're in Europe)

henry2023 2y ago
I think the parent comment classifies the F150 as dangerous not to the driver but to everyone around it.
- ryzvonusef 2y ago
  exactly, Pedestrian safety of all american trucks is terrible, yet we don't hear about the big speeding wall that are the 'conventional' american truck... but apparently the cyber truck is a pedestrian predator they 'suddenly' discovered. Either do something about the terrible truck design... or shut up and tolerate the cyber truck like you tolerate the F150 EV or whatever. Fluff like this just pollutes the EV news space without providing any new info.
  - refulgentis 2y ago
    Well, no, not exactly, you literally just wrote another reply, right below, explicitly saying no, you didn't mean weight, you meant people talking about the slicing edges of the cybertruck. It's not the front shape or slicing people. It's the weight. I have no idea why you think anyone is hand-wringing about slicing people. No one thinks slicing people with hard edges is the problem. It makes sense if you're A) mad about All Duh People Lying About Slicing Car or B) Actually All Heavy Cars Are Bad. You are stuck on saying A but wanting to make sense, as in B, which is at least internally coherent and reality-based, if purist.
    - ryzvonusef 2y ago
      > It's not the front shape or slicing people. It's the weight. I have no idea why you think anyone is hand-wringing about slicing people. No one thinks slicing people with hard edges is the problem. I literally provided links the reply below you mentioned, please read them! they do talk about the weight, but they are much more worried about the shape and its effect on pedestrian collision. Please read the links, I'll share them here again. https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploughing-through-european-pedestrian-safety-rules/ https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploug... https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-07-Cybertrucks-IVA-letter-to-Minister-Kupka-1.pdf https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-0...
  - Peanuts99 2y ago
    Surely the fact that it's a three ton machine that can accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds is relevant too. As far as I'm aware the F150 can't match that.
    - ryzvonusef 2y ago
      > Surely the fact that it's a three ton machine that can accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds is relevant too. As far as I'm aware the F150 can't match that. The F150 EV has similar weight and speed[1], not sure how it's relevant? In fact it proves the point, no one talks about how the F150 EV or the Silverado EV etc etc having similar characteristic flaws as the cyber truck, because that doesn't generate clicks. If anything should be generating articles, it should be the Hummer EV, that things in absurdly big, heavy and fast, even for american trucks... but that doesn't generate clicks. Cybertruck gets undue attention, mostly negative because clickbait, and we should stop clicking such obvious baits. [1]: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40120063/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-tested-acceleration/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40120063/2022-ford-f-150-...
      - refulgentis 2y ago
        People do, all the time, you just did too. You just linked to an article that did.
        ryzvonusef 2y ago
        I'm talking about hyperbolic negative coverage, that provide no new information or insight, but bait to attract clicks.
ryzvonusef 2y ago
> What do you mean by shape? I talk about the front shape and its effect on pedestrian safety. The article about the cyber truck always talk about how its wedge shape will slice people off or whatever... but the Standard American truck shape (big flat front nose) is just as dangerous, being hit by a speeding wall is not beneficial either. If publications want to talk about bad truck shapes in good faith, talk about ALL truck shapes! Singling out the truck made by Tesla when the trucks made by other American automakers is just as dangerous is obvious click bait, and just pollutes the EV news scape. > The F150, generously, is 2/3 the weight. (median F150 vs. lowest cybertruck) I was comparing like with like, and acc to google the F150 EV is about the same weight as the Cybertruck. (around ~ 3,000 Kg) Also I was referring to the line in this article where they talk about how it doesn't meet EU regulations, which leads to another article[1] of their, which talks a LOT about cybertruck's bad front shape... (which I must mention for clarity, IS bad)... but make no mention of the even WORSE shapes by other competing American trucks. Because the fact is... Tesla sells clicks. They reference a letter [2] by the NGO protesting about the (private) import of this particular turck... but said NGO's website makes no mention of OTHER dangerous american trucks privately imported to europe and parading about. The story is not the shape or pedestrian safety... it's click. [1]: https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploughing-through-european-pedestrian-safety-rules/ https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploug... [2]: https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-07-Cybertrucks-IVA-letter-to-Minister-Kupka-1.pdf https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-0... ____ Btw, I am not in Europe. I live in a 3rd world country, not sure where I gave that insinuation. TL:DR; ALL american trucks are terribly shaped and designed or whatever. ALL american trucks have multiple other issues and recalls... as is routine with the damn things. Yet this particular stupid truck gets posted because it's click bait, NOT because there is some actual information to be gained. We should downvote such clickbait pollution on our feeds.

henry2023 2y ago

I think the parent comment classifies the F150 as dangerous not to the driver but to everyone around it.

ryzvonusef 2y ago
exactly, Pedestrian safety of all american trucks is terrible, yet we don't hear about the big speeding wall that are the 'conventional' american truck... but apparently the cyber truck is a pedestrian predator they 'suddenly' discovered. Either do something about the terrible truck design... or shut up and tolerate the cyber truck like you tolerate the F150 EV or whatever. Fluff like this just pollutes the EV news space without providing any new info.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  Well, no, not exactly, you literally just wrote another reply, right below, explicitly saying no, you didn't mean weight, you meant people talking about the slicing edges of the cybertruck. It's not the front shape or slicing people. It's the weight. I have no idea why you think anyone is hand-wringing about slicing people. No one thinks slicing people with hard edges is the problem. It makes sense if you're A) mad about All Duh People Lying About Slicing Car or B) Actually All Heavy Cars Are Bad. You are stuck on saying A but wanting to make sense, as in B, which is at least internally coherent and reality-based, if purist.
  - ryzvonusef 2y ago
    > It's not the front shape or slicing people. It's the weight. I have no idea why you think anyone is hand-wringing about slicing people. No one thinks slicing people with hard edges is the problem. I literally provided links the reply below you mentioned, please read them! they do talk about the weight, but they are much more worried about the shape and its effect on pedestrian collision. Please read the links, I'll share them here again. https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploughing-through-european-pedestrian-safety-rules/ https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploug... https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-07-Cybertrucks-IVA-letter-to-Minister-Kupka-1.pdf https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-0...
- Peanuts99 2y ago
  Surely the fact that it's a three ton machine that can accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds is relevant too. As far as I'm aware the F150 can't match that.
  - ryzvonusef 2y ago
    > Surely the fact that it's a three ton machine that can accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds is relevant too. As far as I'm aware the F150 can't match that. The F150 EV has similar weight and speed[1], not sure how it's relevant? In fact it proves the point, no one talks about how the F150 EV or the Silverado EV etc etc having similar characteristic flaws as the cyber truck, because that doesn't generate clicks. If anything should be generating articles, it should be the Hummer EV, that things in absurdly big, heavy and fast, even for american trucks... but that doesn't generate clicks. Cybertruck gets undue attention, mostly negative because clickbait, and we should stop clicking such obvious baits. [1]: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40120063/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-tested-acceleration/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40120063/2022-ford-f-150-...
    - refulgentis 2y ago
      People do, all the time, you just did too. You just linked to an article that did.
      - ryzvonusef 2y ago
        I'm talking about hyperbolic negative coverage, that provide no new information or insight, but bait to attract clicks.

ryzvonusef 2y ago

> What do you mean by shape? I talk about the front shape and its effect on pedestrian safety. The article about the cyber truck always talk about how its wedge shape will slice people off or whatever... but the Standard American truck shape (big flat front nose) is just as dangerous, being hit by a speeding wall is not beneficial either. If publications want to talk about bad truck shapes in good faith, talk about ALL truck shapes! Singling out the truck made by Tesla when the trucks made by other American automakers is just as dangerous is obvious click bait, and just pollutes the EV news scape. > The F150, generously, is 2/3 the weight. (median F150 vs. lowest cybertruck) I was comparing like with like, and acc to google the F150 EV is about the same weight as the Cybertruck. (around ~ 3,000 Kg) Also I was referring to the line in this article where they talk about how it doesn't meet EU regulations, which leads to another article[1] of their, which talks a LOT about cybertruck's bad front shape... (which I must mention for clarity, IS bad)... but make no mention of the even WORSE shapes by other competing American trucks. Because the fact is... Tesla sells clicks. They reference a letter [2] by the NGO protesting about the (private) import of this particular turck... but said NGO's website makes no mention of OTHER dangerous american trucks privately imported to europe and parading about. The story is not the shape or pedestrian safety... it's click. [1]: https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploughing-through-european-pedestrian-safety-rules/ https://www.wired.com/story/a-rubberized-cybertruck-is-ploug... [2]: https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-07-Cybertrucks-IVA-letter-to-Minister-Kupka-1.pdf https://www.transportenvironment.org/uploads/files/2024-10-0... ____ Btw, I am not in Europe. I live in a 3rd world country, not sure where I gave that insinuation. TL:DR; ALL american trucks are terribly shaped and designed or whatever. ALL american trucks have multiple other issues and recalls... as is routine with the damn things. Yet this particular stupid truck gets posted because it's click bait, NOT because there is some actual information to be gained. We should downvote such clickbait pollution on our feeds.