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Swiftair Boeing 737-400 crashes short of runway Vilnius Airport

44 points by sva_ 2y ago

sva_ 2y ago
I had to shorten the title due to limit. It was a cargo plane operating for DHL.
- netsharc 2y ago
  Honestly the shortening buried the fact that it's a cargo flight and made it more shocking/clickbaity - I heard about a plane crashing in Lithuania before I saw your headline so I was aware which crash was being referred to. Adding " (DHL cargo) " before "crashes" would've fit the title limitations...
neoromantique 2y ago
Reports of explosions prior to crash, local police does not rule out terror attack yet.
- 20after4 2y ago
  Perhaps related: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl-express/russian-sabotage-plot-rehearsal-for-a-larg-scale-attack-on-u-s-bound-flights/ https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl-express/russian-sabot...
- orbital-decay 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBuOBxfJEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBuOBxfJEk CCTV footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUUteXo9rY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUUteXo9rY ATC recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57TOGrg-jU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57TOGrg-jU trajectory https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 avherald entry Looks like CFIT. They flew below the glide slope and impacted the terrain.
sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
Unexpected part of this is that most pilots survived the crash. I don't understand how that's possible given the explosion visible on CCTVs
- gsf_emergency 2y ago
  The explosions triggered way before crash, terrorism not ruled out (see links below)
  - sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
    So if the plane exploded even in the air, how could the pilots survive?
    - gsf_emergency 2y ago
      Not much (public) data to back what I said. See the video I linked below Going to follow avherald now
  - piva00 2y ago
    Where do you see that? All the videos I've seen show the plane flying fine on the glide slope but the tree line is obstructed on the camera, the explosions appear when the plane is way below the obstructions. Edit: found a video I hadn't seen before, you can clearly see the airplane on the glide slope abruptly trying to pitch up before impact[0]. [0] https://v.redd.it/rhsqd0ntp03e1 https://v.redd.it/rhsqd0ntp03e1
    - gsf_emergency 2y ago
      Pilots were surprised https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2422543/no-signs-of-alarm-before-plane-crash-in-vilnius-audio-recording-shows https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2422543/no-signs-of... this is the best angle so far (it's linked to in your link as well) https://youtu.be/MXyXgSu5CBE https://youtu.be/MXyXgSu5CBE https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1gzhfx2/another_angle_of_dhl_crash_in_vilnius/ https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1gzhfx2/another_a... "Plane... skidded several hundred metres" https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241125-dhl-cargo-plane-crashes-in-lithuania-killing-one https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241125-dhl-cargo-pla...
rderewianko 2y ago
At first I thought Taylor Swift had an airline for her two planes...
eqvinox 2y ago
Discussion on https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 seems to tend towards pilot error. Plane's ILS may not have locked on to glide slope and pilots went too low and too fast. Maybe missed the point where they should've gone around. But all just speculation, and I'm just summarizing too. It'll take some time to get answers, all we seem to have right now is alarmist politicians milking the topic.
- neoromantique 2y ago
  >all we seem to have right now is alarmist politicians milking the topic. On the contrary, we have all sorts of escalation management appeasers trying to avoid putting any possible blame on Russia for this, despite constant EW and GPS jamming in the region.
  - eqvinox 2y ago
    Dude, you're embarassing yourself. They were below the intermittent cloud cover listed in METAR, landing in good visual conditions (yes, nighttime, but it's a city, you can see it). Even if they got full-spectrum interference thrown at them, they should and would have been able to go around. Aircraft safety culture is serious.
    - neoromantique 2y ago
      I am not talking about this case in isolation, neither am I saying that interference is a factor in this crash, but I am saying that so open acts of war (against our infrastructure, our safety equipment, our manufacturing etc) are spouted as "hybrid warfare" and are being severely downplayed as not to do anything about it, it's just weakness.
  - nradov 2y ago
    ILS approaches don't use GPS.
    - neoromantique 2y ago
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44 points by sva_ 2y ago

sva_ 2y ago

I had to shorten the title due to limit. It was a cargo plane operating for DHL.

netsharc 2y ago
Honestly the shortening buried the fact that it's a cargo flight and made it more shocking/clickbaity - I heard about a plane crashing in Lithuania before I saw your headline so I was aware which crash was being referred to. Adding " (DHL cargo) " before "crashes" would've fit the title limitations...

neoromantique 2y ago

Reports of explosions prior to crash, local police does not rule out terror attack yet.

20after4 2y ago
Perhaps related: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl-express/russian-sabotage-plot-rehearsal-for-a-larg-scale-attack-on-u-s-bound-flights/ https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl-express/russian-sabot...
orbital-decay 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBuOBxfJEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBuOBxfJEk CCTV footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUUteXo9rY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUUteXo9rY ATC recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57TOGrg-jU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57TOGrg-jU trajectory https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 avherald entry Looks like CFIT. They flew below the glide slope and impacted the terrain.

sedan_baklazhan 2y ago

Unexpected part of this is that most pilots survived the crash. I don't understand how that's possible given the explosion visible on CCTVs

gsf_emergency 2y ago
The explosions triggered way before crash, terrorism not ruled out (see links below)
- sedan_baklazhan 2y ago
  So if the plane exploded even in the air, how could the pilots survive?
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    Not much (public) data to back what I said. See the video I linked below Going to follow avherald now
- piva00 2y ago
  Where do you see that? All the videos I've seen show the plane flying fine on the glide slope but the tree line is obstructed on the camera, the explosions appear when the plane is way below the obstructions. Edit: found a video I hadn't seen before, you can clearly see the airplane on the glide slope abruptly trying to pitch up before impact[0]. [0] https://v.redd.it/rhsqd0ntp03e1 https://v.redd.it/rhsqd0ntp03e1
  - gsf_emergency 2y ago
    Pilots were surprised https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2422543/no-signs-of-alarm-before-plane-crash-in-vilnius-audio-recording-shows https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2422543/no-signs-of... this is the best angle so far (it's linked to in your link as well) https://youtu.be/MXyXgSu5CBE https://youtu.be/MXyXgSu5CBE https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1gzhfx2/another_angle_of_dhl_crash_in_vilnius/ https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1gzhfx2/another_a... "Plane... skidded several hundred metres" https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241125-dhl-cargo-plane-crashes-in-lithuania-killing-one https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241125-dhl-cargo-pla...

rderewianko 2y ago

At first I thought Taylor Swift had an airline for her two planes...

eqvinox 2y ago

Discussion on https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=520c0e2b&opt=0 seems to tend towards pilot error. Plane's ILS may not have locked on to glide slope and pilots went too low and too fast. Maybe missed the point where they should've gone around. But all just speculation, and I'm just summarizing too. It'll take some time to get answers, all we seem to have right now is alarmist politicians milking the topic.

neoromantique 2y ago
>all we seem to have right now is alarmist politicians milking the topic. On the contrary, we have all sorts of escalation management appeasers trying to avoid putting any possible blame on Russia for this, despite constant EW and GPS jamming in the region.
- eqvinox 2y ago
  Dude, you're embarassing yourself. They were below the intermittent cloud cover listed in METAR, landing in good visual conditions (yes, nighttime, but it's a city, you can see it). Even if they got full-spectrum interference thrown at them, they should and would have been able to go around. Aircraft safety culture is serious.
  - neoromantique 2y ago
    I am not talking about this case in isolation, neither am I saying that interference is a factor in this crash, but I am saying that so open acts of war (against our infrastructure, our safety equipment, our manufacturing etc) are spouted as "hybrid warfare" and are being severely downplayed as not to do anything about it, it's just weakness.
- nradov 2y ago
  ILS approaches don't use GPS.
  - neoromantique 2y ago

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