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> Can you tell me Anthony Fauci, the entire CDC, and even the White House presented that as an initial timeline. When "the lockdowns" started that was the o

> Can you tell me Anthony Fauci, the entire CDC, and even the White House presented that as an initial timeline. When "the lockdowns" started that was the official position. After they were in place it quickly slipped to three weeks, then we don't know, then "long enough to flatten the curve" or maybe "until everyone gets a booster." > specifically which experts Let's not devolve to senseless parsimony over this topic again. All of this is well documented and if you actually wanted to know you could have easily found it yourself.

kadoban 2y ago
> Anthony Fauci, the entire CDC, and even the White House presented that as an initial timeline. When "the lockdowns" started that was the official position. After they were in place it quickly slipped to three weeks, then we don't know, then "long enough to flatten the curve" or maybe "until everyone gets a booster." Your timeline makes no sense. Fauci or anyone would not have been talking about boosters for _years_ after lockdowns started. Booster of what? No vaccine existed.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/15-days-slow-spread/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/15-days-slow-s... https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/st... https://www.npr.org/2020/03/30/822448199/how-15-days-became-45-trump-extends-guidelines-to-slow-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/2020/03/30/822448199/how-15-days-became-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/covid-a-year-later-trumps-15-days-to-slow-the-spread-pledge-shows-how-little-we-knew.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/covid-a-year-later-trumps-15... In no uncertain terms, your obtuse dismissal of history that most of us here literally witnessed with our own eyes is appalling. Everyone in a position of power, including Trump and Fauci, fucked up because everyone wanted to use covid for political ends. Noone is going to trust the government, Trump or otherwise, the next time and for good reason.
  - robertoandred 2y ago
    What political ends?
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      For Trump it was chiefly about winning re-election in the face of absolute adversity. For everyone else, it was namely about getting rid of Trump but also attempting to normalize the regulation of speech and assembly, commerce, and healthcare and expanding the powers of the Executive Branch at both Federal and State levels to limits unprecedented at the time. Covid should not have been politicized, regardless where you are on the spectrum.
      - acdha 2y ago
        > For everyone else, it was namely about getting rid of Trump but also attempting to normalize the regulation of speech and assembly, commerce, and healthcare and expanding the powers of the Executive Branch at both Federal and State levels to limits unprecedented at the time. This is an enormous claim to toss out without support. You’d need to start by establishing what you’re even referring to since, for example, speech was not regulated and it’s unclear why people who wanted to get rid of Trump would have given him “unprecedented” power so you’d want to explain that theory a bit more.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Those undercut the claim, not support it: there’s no promise that it’ll be over, only a request to slow the rate of spread. Moreover, that was not a promise from medical experts but from a presidential candidate running for re-election arguing that the economy was doing so well that it made up for the other problems with his administration.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      >that was not a promise from medical experts What part of Fauci (and many others) being a member of the Coronavirus Task Force do you not understand?
llamaimperative 2y ago
Surely you can find a quote of Fauci saying this? Hint: You cannot. You’ll find Trump and his appointed Surgeon General (who is also the ONLY person in authority who said concretely “masks don’t work” instead of “we don’t know if masks work,” which was true)

kadoban 2y ago

> Anthony Fauci, the entire CDC, and even the White House presented that as an initial timeline. When "the lockdowns" started that was the official position. After they were in place it quickly slipped to three weeks, then we don't know, then "long enough to flatten the curve" or maybe "until everyone gets a booster." Your timeline makes no sense. Fauci or anyone would not have been talking about boosters for _years_ after lockdowns started. Booster of what? No vaccine existed.

Dalewyn 2y ago
Here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/15-days-slow-spread/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/articles/15-days-slow-s... https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/st... https://www.npr.org/2020/03/30/822448199/how-15-days-became-45-trump-extends-guidelines-to-slow-coronavirus https://www.npr.org/2020/03/30/822448199/how-15-days-became-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/covid-a-year-later-trumps-15-days-to-slow-the-spread-pledge-shows-how-little-we-knew.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/16/covid-a-year-later-trumps-15... In no uncertain terms, your obtuse dismissal of history that most of us here literally witnessed with our own eyes is appalling. Everyone in a position of power, including Trump and Fauci, fucked up because everyone wanted to use covid for political ends. Noone is going to trust the government, Trump or otherwise, the next time and for good reason.
- robertoandred 2y ago
  What political ends?
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    For Trump it was chiefly about winning re-election in the face of absolute adversity. For everyone else, it was namely about getting rid of Trump but also attempting to normalize the regulation of speech and assembly, commerce, and healthcare and expanding the powers of the Executive Branch at both Federal and State levels to limits unprecedented at the time. Covid should not have been politicized, regardless where you are on the spectrum.
    - acdha 2y ago
      > For everyone else, it was namely about getting rid of Trump but also attempting to normalize the regulation of speech and assembly, commerce, and healthcare and expanding the powers of the Executive Branch at both Federal and State levels to limits unprecedented at the time. This is an enormous claim to toss out without support. You’d need to start by establishing what you’re even referring to since, for example, speech was not regulated and it’s unclear why people who wanted to get rid of Trump would have given him “unprecedented” power so you’d want to explain that theory a bit more.
- acdha 2y ago
  Those undercut the claim, not support it: there’s no promise that it’ll be over, only a request to slow the rate of spread. Moreover, that was not a promise from medical experts but from a presidential candidate running for re-election arguing that the economy was doing so well that it made up for the other problems with his administration.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    >that was not a promise from medical experts What part of Fauci (and many others) being a member of the Coronavirus Task Force do you not understand?

llamaimperative 2y ago

Surely you can find a quote of Fauci saying this? Hint: You cannot. You’ll find Trump and his appointed Surgeon General (who is also the ONLY person in authority who said concretely “masks don’t work” instead of “we don’t know if masks work,” which was true)