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ChatGPT Has No Place in the Classroom

15 points by Tomte 2y ago

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daveac 2y ago
These are kids. Teacher thinks they cheated then mark them accordingly. Reading that article makes the juniors sound criminal. They are kids they played the game and got caught. So they learn a lesson, move on. But it should not reflect on the rest of their academic life.
- ashoeafoot 2y ago
  Hysteric parents and institutions are part of the game too.
- tmpz22 2y ago
  Agreed, students follow the path of least resistance news at 11. Responsibility belongs with students, parents, and educators, and educators need to set consistent expectations through all grade levels. What did they expect to happen?
- duskwuff 2y ago
  It sounds like you may be thinking of a recent news story involving ChatGPT and schools: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/school-did-nothing-wrong-when-it-punished-student-for-using-ai-court-rules/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/school-did-nothi... But this article isn't about that story. It's about a recent OpenAI white paper which recommended that teachers use ChatGPT - there's no student misconduct involved here.
bsenftner 2y ago
The skills necessary to "master using AI" are the same skills necessary to effectively communicate with a human being that does not know what you are talking about. This requires explaining to them the context of one's discussion, and once the context is understood then a complex conversation can follow. This is with people and this is the same with AI. If schools and education in general want to prepare students for careers that will probably require the use of AI enhanced systems that do not even exist yet - they need to teach students effective communications. And surprisingly, effective communications is extremely useful for human to human communications too. It could just be the most important thing a student is taught, because looking around as an adult for far too many decades: effective communication skills are at a poverty state across the board in human civilization.
idrathernot 2y ago
Why are Educational Institutions so resistant to anything that veers from the traditional lecturing from the textbook. You could replace references to ChatGPT with “Internet Search Engines have no place in the classroom” or “computers have no place in the classroom” and the arguments would still be all too familiar.
- billy99k 2y ago
  If you are supposed to be doing math homework and just pasting answers you found online through a search engine (and not doing the actual work), then the student should get into trouble. Classrooms are there for students to learn. ChatGPT just spits out an answer and doesn't really help with learning (and makes the student worse off). Why should it be allowed in the classroom?
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    > ChatGPT just spits out an answer and doesn't really help with learning This 100% could NOT be further from the truth. My 11-year old daughter uses ChatGPT daily and it is best teacher and the best tutor she's ever had. You are assuming that kids will (and their parent will allow) use ChatGPT to simply put in their HW and get answers. If used properly it is an invaluable tool for children and every child who doesn't use it will be at a huge disadvantage...
    - fragmede 2y ago
      what is the system/user prompt you've set for her to get it to work that way? "never give me the answer directly"?
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        I made a simple rule - you will "talk to her" (it's a she of course :) ) just as if she is your actual teacher. hence of course you can't ask for an answer to your homework but you can ask anything that you do not understand in order to first and foremost understand the concept(s) and then solve the problem(s). she will frequently go "I do not understand this still, can you try to explain this in another way" over and over for some concept(s) she is struggling with (last one was related to permutations)

15 points by Tomte 2y ago

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These are kids. Teacher thinks they cheated then mark them accordingly. Reading that article makes the juniors sound criminal. They are kids they played the game and got caught. So they learn a lesson, move on. But it should not reflect on the rest of their academic life.

ashoeafoot 2y ago
Hysteric parents and institutions are part of the game too.
tmpz22 2y ago
Agreed, students follow the path of least resistance news at 11. Responsibility belongs with students, parents, and educators, and educators need to set consistent expectations through all grade levels. What did they expect to happen?
duskwuff 2y ago
It sounds like you may be thinking of a recent news story involving ChatGPT and schools: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/school-did-nothing-wrong-when-it-punished-student-for-using-ai-court-rules/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/11/school-did-nothi... But this article isn't about that story. It's about a recent OpenAI white paper which recommended that teachers use ChatGPT - there's no student misconduct involved here.

bsenftner 2y ago

The skills necessary to "master using AI" are the same skills necessary to effectively communicate with a human being that does not know what you are talking about. This requires explaining to them the context of one's discussion, and once the context is understood then a complex conversation can follow. This is with people and this is the same with AI. If schools and education in general want to prepare students for careers that will probably require the use of AI enhanced systems that do not even exist yet - they need to teach students effective communications. And surprisingly, effective communications is extremely useful for human to human communications too. It could just be the most important thing a student is taught, because looking around as an adult for far too many decades: effective communication skills are at a poverty state across the board in human civilization.

idrathernot 2y ago

Why are Educational Institutions so resistant to anything that veers from the traditional lecturing from the textbook. You could replace references to ChatGPT with “Internet Search Engines have no place in the classroom” or “computers have no place in the classroom” and the arguments would still be all too familiar.

billy99k 2y ago
If you are supposed to be doing math homework and just pasting answers you found online through a search engine (and not doing the actual work), then the student should get into trouble. Classrooms are there for students to learn. ChatGPT just spits out an answer and doesn't really help with learning (and makes the student worse off). Why should it be allowed in the classroom?
- bdangubic 2y ago
  > ChatGPT just spits out an answer and doesn't really help with learning This 100% could NOT be further from the truth. My 11-year old daughter uses ChatGPT daily and it is best teacher and the best tutor she's ever had. You are assuming that kids will (and their parent will allow) use ChatGPT to simply put in their HW and get answers. If used properly it is an invaluable tool for children and every child who doesn't use it will be at a huge disadvantage...
  - fragmede 2y ago
    what is the system/user prompt you've set for her to get it to work that way? "never give me the answer directly"?
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      I made a simple rule - you will "talk to her" (it's a she of course :) ) just as if she is your actual teacher. hence of course you can't ask for an answer to your homework but you can ask anything that you do not understand in order to first and foremost understand the concept(s) and then solve the problem(s). she will frequently go "I do not understand this still, can you try to explain this in another way" over and over for some concept(s) she is struggling with (last one was related to permutations)