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> Maybe it’s just the MSM, but I am starting to fear for my own safety and the future of the USA. Shootings every day, LGBTQ agenda, the matrix, I live in a ver

by Spivak 2y ago

> Maybe it’s just the MSM, but I am starting to fear for my own safety and the future of the USA. Shootings every day, LGBTQ agenda, the matrix, I live in a very good area with a very good home life but I am sick of all this garbage happening here. I can't even eyeroll hard enough to this take. The gay agenda is overpriced brunch, the anti-lgbt agenda is "elimination from public life." How much do you hear about women's suffrage? None, because it became a non-issue as soon as we got it. If we hadn't I would still be in the streets not shutting up about it. It's the same with LGBT rights, you will only hear about it as long as it's actively being opposed. It's hard to express how much of a "okay, anyway…" being gay or trans is in liberal spaces. Pride month can become just as boring and ignorable as women's history month if we let it.

brailsafe 2y ago
> It's hard to express how much of a "okay, anyway…" being gay or trans is in liberal spaces. Pride month can become just as boring and ignorable as women's history month if we let it. ...is that not part of the point?
rsoto2 2y ago
We're barreling towards ww3 with a cabinet that believes the destruction of the middle east will lead to the second coming of christ, but the problem is what bathrooms should we force people to use?
- _fw 2y ago
  Next you’ll tell me that the bathroom in your OWN HOUSE is gender neutral
  - wannacboatmovie 2y ago
    You haven't installed a urinal in your garage yet?
- dgfitz 2y ago
  People are generally very anxious when using public bathrooms [1] so much so that they don't if they can help it. If you think about it, we grow up pooping privately our whole lives, and now the public gets to hear us toot and fart and shit. And now the woman, and I mean this, if she thinks she is a woman that's dope, has a penis in the stall next to me? I can understand it, I fucking hate pooping in public. And I'm a dude. [1]https://studyfinds.org/holding-it-in-public-bathroom/#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20of%202%2C000,to%2065%20percent%20of%20women https://studyfinds.org/holding-it-in-public-bathroom/#:~:tex....
  - jmye 2y ago
    I think it’s weird to obsess about the genitalia of the person in the stall next to you, irrespective of whether you have psychological issues using the bathroom in public. Seems like the kind of thing that might inspire one to go to therapy.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      Been going for years. Abuse is a hell of a thing.
    - dgfitz 2y ago
      I feel the need to reject your point about “obsessing about genitalia” that’s a really fucked up thing to say. Fuck off.
      - jmye 2y ago
        Nah, it’s literally what you wrote. Thinking about whether I have a penis in the next stall over while you’re pooping is fucking weird. Sorry that makes you feel bad about yourself, I guess. Or not. Again, get therapy. It’s healthier than getting super mad about me because you have weird mental hangups. Speaking of “fuck off”.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
This is also confusing since the "LGBTQ agenda" crowd is generally the one in support of gun control, and then the matrix, I thought that only existed in the movie but now I don't know what's going on.
- talldayo 2y ago
  The Matrix is certainly the confounding variable here. It's hard to square the liberal promotion of gun control with how badass the Wachowski sisters made it look. Society may never figure that one out.
- Spivak 2y ago
  This shouldn't be surprising, lgbt people get catapulted into the arms of liberal political thought because that's who accepts them. They aren't intrinsically linked.
- fakedang 2y ago
  To be fair, both are distinct issues even if there is any overlap of proponents. You'll find a lot of folks like me for instance, who are okay with owning guns, okay with gun control and stronger background checks, supportive of the LGBTQ community, yet also tired of the LGBTQ, inclusivity, yada yada, being shoved down our throats. I employ some people in the community who are themselves tired of the constant pandering of the media to the agenda. To give an anecdote, all of them panned the recent Jaguar ad and rebrand, calling it unwanted and forced. As always, politics is a spectrum and not a two-faced coin like we purport it to be, as evidenced by the recent elections.
- sickofparadox 2y ago
  "the matrix" is essentially Tate's version of "globalist elites","international jews", or "the patriarchy", it is just his way of describing a conspiratorial system that is supposedly functioning against him (and other men but mostly him).
doctoboggan 2y ago
I know yours and many others default reaction is to eyeroll, but 10s of millions of people really do feel that way. This undercurrent of fear has significantly motivated many of these people to vote a certain way in the most recent US election. I also use to have your reaction, but recently I've realized we need more engagement if we are to fix the issues our nation faces, not less.
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danpalmer 2y ago
When you're the one in power, any move towards a more balanced society looks like someone coming for you. I think it's important to have empathy with the sorts of people who make this type of statement, from their perspective they are losing something, and that's hard. The problem is that what they're losing was built on the subjugation of others, it was a privilege. As a straight white man it took me a while to reframe my thinking around this, but I want to live in a world where other people get the experience I had growing up, rather than one where I can continue to have that experience at their expense. I see parallels in my work as well, to bring this back to a more HN appropriate position. I've seen company cultures change, and early employees feeling like they lost something or the culture deteriorated, when it would be more accurate to say that the culture changed to be more accessible to new employees and that the team was better overall as a result.
valval 2y ago
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- Spivak 2y ago
  https://translegislation.com/ https://translegislation.com/ You're mostly right. I would like it to stay that way. Alas it's not liberals that are doing this. Given how many of these bills are insane and destined to never pass even in the reddest state it's a hard sell to say it's not performative virtue signaling. It's hard to understate just how much members of the lgbt would never like to never be in the news again.
  - valval 2y ago
    Could you give me some examples of insane bills that have passed? I don’t really understand the site you linked, since I browsed it for 10 minutes and saw nothing about LGBT people lacking any rights others have. Of course it’s liberals doing it. You’re again levitating above the issue. Liberals are pushing the LGBT agenda, and conservatives are pushing back. They can elect to never be on the news again by dropping the subject today. Frankly there’s no need whatsoever to talk about one’s sexuality or genitalia publicly.
    - Spivak 2y ago
      There's no agenda. This is the part that is so frustrating to get across. If this is the agree to disagree point then so be it. Black people want all the rights and privileges of white people. It's not enough that black and white people are equally entitled to use the bathrooms and drinking fountains of their respective race. Gay people want all the rights and privileges as straight people. It's not enough that gay and straight people are equally entitled to enter a marriage defined as one man and one woman. Trans people want all the rights and privileges as cis people. It's not enough that cis and trans people are equally entitled to participate in sports leagues that correspond to their AGAB. You are the person who is equating gay with sex and trans with genitalia. So obviously you're going to read discussion about issues facing these groups as talking about sex and genitals. Actual trans people would very much like conservatives to stop talking about their genitals. Dropping the subject is antithetical to them being able to quietly live boring normal lives same as everyone else. It's accepting marginalization. My trans girl friends are just my girlfriends, it's an implementation detail I don't care about. Achieving that socially and legally is together and equal but we aren't there and are trending backwards.

by Spivak 2y ago

brailsafe 2y ago

> It's hard to express how much of a "okay, anyway…" being gay or trans is in liberal spaces. Pride month can become just as boring and ignorable as women's history month if we let it. ...is that not part of the point?

rsoto2 2y ago

We're barreling towards ww3 with a cabinet that believes the destruction of the middle east will lead to the second coming of christ, but the problem is what bathrooms should we force people to use?

_fw 2y ago
Next you’ll tell me that the bathroom in your OWN HOUSE is gender neutral
- wannacboatmovie 2y ago
  You haven't installed a urinal in your garage yet?
dgfitz 2y ago
People are generally very anxious when using public bathrooms [1] so much so that they don't if they can help it. If you think about it, we grow up pooping privately our whole lives, and now the public gets to hear us toot and fart and shit. And now the woman, and I mean this, if she thinks she is a woman that's dope, has a penis in the stall next to me? I can understand it, I fucking hate pooping in public. And I'm a dude. [1]https://studyfinds.org/holding-it-in-public-bathroom/#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20of%202%2C000,to%2065%20percent%20of%20women https://studyfinds.org/holding-it-in-public-bathroom/#:~:tex....
- jmye 2y ago
  I think it’s weird to obsess about the genitalia of the person in the stall next to you, irrespective of whether you have psychological issues using the bathroom in public. Seems like the kind of thing that might inspire one to go to therapy.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    Been going for years. Abuse is a hell of a thing.
  - dgfitz 2y ago
    I feel the need to reject your point about “obsessing about genitalia” that’s a really fucked up thing to say. Fuck off.
    - jmye 2y ago
      Nah, it’s literally what you wrote. Thinking about whether I have a penis in the next stall over while you’re pooping is fucking weird. Sorry that makes you feel bad about yourself, I guess. Or not. Again, get therapy. It’s healthier than getting super mad about me because you have weird mental hangups. Speaking of “fuck off”.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

This is also confusing since the "LGBTQ agenda" crowd is generally the one in support of gun control, and then the matrix, I thought that only existed in the movie but now I don't know what's going on.

talldayo 2y ago
The Matrix is certainly the confounding variable here. It's hard to square the liberal promotion of gun control with how badass the Wachowski sisters made it look. Society may never figure that one out.
Spivak 2y ago
This shouldn't be surprising, lgbt people get catapulted into the arms of liberal political thought because that's who accepts them. They aren't intrinsically linked.
fakedang 2y ago
To be fair, both are distinct issues even if there is any overlap of proponents. You'll find a lot of folks like me for instance, who are okay with owning guns, okay with gun control and stronger background checks, supportive of the LGBTQ community, yet also tired of the LGBTQ, inclusivity, yada yada, being shoved down our throats. I employ some people in the community who are themselves tired of the constant pandering of the media to the agenda. To give an anecdote, all of them panned the recent Jaguar ad and rebrand, calling it unwanted and forced. As always, politics is a spectrum and not a two-faced coin like we purport it to be, as evidenced by the recent elections.
sickofparadox 2y ago
"the matrix" is essentially Tate's version of "globalist elites","international jews", or "the patriarchy", it is just his way of describing a conspiratorial system that is supposedly functioning against him (and other men but mostly him).

doctoboggan 2y ago

I know yours and many others default reaction is to eyeroll, but 10s of millions of people really do feel that way. This undercurrent of fear has significantly motivated many of these people to vote a certain way in the most recent US election. I also use to have your reaction, but recently I've realized we need more engagement if we are to fix the issues our nation faces, not less.

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danpalmer 2y ago

When you're the one in power, any move towards a more balanced society looks like someone coming for you. I think it's important to have empathy with the sorts of people who make this type of statement, from their perspective they are losing something, and that's hard. The problem is that what they're losing was built on the subjugation of others, it was a privilege. As a straight white man it took me a while to reframe my thinking around this, but I want to live in a world where other people get the experience I had growing up, rather than one where I can continue to have that experience at their expense. I see parallels in my work as well, to bring this back to a more HN appropriate position. I've seen company cultures change, and early employees feeling like they lost something or the culture deteriorated, when it would be more accurate to say that the culture changed to be more accessible to new employees and that the team was better overall as a result.

valval 2y ago

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Spivak 2y ago
https://translegislation.com/ https://translegislation.com/ You're mostly right. I would like it to stay that way. Alas it's not liberals that are doing this. Given how many of these bills are insane and destined to never pass even in the reddest state it's a hard sell to say it's not performative virtue signaling. It's hard to understate just how much members of the lgbt would never like to never be in the news again.
- valval 2y ago
  Could you give me some examples of insane bills that have passed? I don’t really understand the site you linked, since I browsed it for 10 minutes and saw nothing about LGBT people lacking any rights others have. Of course it’s liberals doing it. You’re again levitating above the issue. Liberals are pushing the LGBT agenda, and conservatives are pushing back. They can elect to never be on the news again by dropping the subject today. Frankly there’s no need whatsoever to talk about one’s sexuality or genitalia publicly.
  - Spivak 2y ago
    There's no agenda. This is the part that is so frustrating to get across. If this is the agree to disagree point then so be it. Black people want all the rights and privileges of white people. It's not enough that black and white people are equally entitled to use the bathrooms and drinking fountains of their respective race. Gay people want all the rights and privileges as straight people. It's not enough that gay and straight people are equally entitled to enter a marriage defined as one man and one woman. Trans people want all the rights and privileges as cis people. It's not enough that cis and trans people are equally entitled to participate in sports leagues that correspond to their AGAB. You are the person who is equating gay with sex and trans with genitalia. So obviously you're going to read discussion about issues facing these groups as talking about sex and genitals. Actual trans people would very much like conservatives to stop talking about their genitals. Dropping the subject is antithetical to them being able to quietly live boring normal lives same as everyone else. It's accepting marginalization. My trans girl friends are just my girlfriends, it's an implementation detail I don't care about. Achieving that socially and legally is together and equal but we aren't there and are trending backwards.