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Reports like this remind me of very early COVID days. And USA just elected a POTUS that did a shit job of getting us through that same pandemic. With the cabine

by xyst 2y ago

Reports like this remind me of very early COVID days. And USA just elected a POTUS that did a shit job of getting us through that same pandemic. With the cabinet that he has (rfk jr, oz…), let’s just hope these are truly fringe cases and doesn’t lead to an outbreak

llamaimperative 2y ago
Don't worry, we're unlikely to know whether that's the case anyway. All we'll have is word of mouth to augment suppressed (or never collected) data, which is just the same as the problem not existing! https://youtu.be/Ti4sSRonNwY?t=27 https://youtu.be/Ti4sSRonNwY?t=27
nightowl_games 2y ago
One lone case doesn't remind me of early covid. Many cases reminds me of early covid. Though this case is concerning.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  Cases were happening in China around Dec ‘19 and I was worried. Then a case in the US followed by “no reason to worry”. Then it spiraled.
bee_rider 2y ago
Ya know, I could have sworn I remember reading a little bit about COVID in Nov of 2019, but my recollection doesn’t line up with the Wikipedia timeline. I remember being nervous around campus at the time… although there were some other pretty bad colds going around that year, so maybe I just got mixed up. I think I recall a little bit on Reddit in Dec 2019 and Jan 2020, is that plausible? Anyway, “early COVID” had a feeling to it—stuff was going on in China but news was taking a long time to trickle out, probably just because of the language barrier, and also because nobody (general public-wise) was paying attention to that sort of thing. The bird flu stuff seems quite different, it’s been reported on quite a bit, people are hyper-vigilant about this kind of stuff now, and it has been bouncing around quite visibly in non-human animals for ages. Plus it is in the US, so we hear about it immediately. Not saying it isn’t anything to be worried about, but we’re getting updates in realtime.
- drjasonharrison 2y ago
  First case in December 2019. February 2, 2020 fogging machines on city streets in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw We were definitely reading about the lockdowns in Wuhan in January 2020. January 19, 2020, the first case in Washington state was detected in a man who had recently traveled from Wuhan. Surveillance blood samples from Dec 13, 2019 to January 17, 2020 from several nine US states were tested for COVID-19 antibodies: "Of the 7389 samples, 106 were reactive by pan-Ig. Of these 106 specimens, 90 were available for further testing. Eighty-four of 90 had neutralizing activity, 1 had S1 binding activity, and 1 had receptor-binding domain/ACE2 blocking activity >50%, suggesting the presence of anti–SARS-CoV-2–reactive antibodies. Donations with reactivity occurred in all 9 states" https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
- nostrademons 2y ago
  2019-2020 was also a big H1N1 (Spanish/Swine Flu) year, as were 2017-2018 and 2018-2019. Entirely possible that's what you remember reading about or getting. If COVID hadn't happened Spanish Flu would've been a big headline anyways; as it is, a lot of the people who think they got COVID before March 2020 probably actually had H1N1. Before then the case numbers are orders of magnitude higher for flu, but COVID was more transmissible and almost 10x more lethal, and so post-lockdown it dominated.
  - thenipper 2y ago
    I remember going in for a physical Jan 2020 and my doctor talking about lot about the flu. He gave me the pneumonia vaccine and then was like oh there is this other thing but probably nothing to worry about…
  - mleo 2y ago
    My daughter’s birthday party in January 2020 was canceled last minute due to her getting the flu. No idea of the type, but remember we were unable to reschedule due to Covid lockdowns occurring before getting rescheduled at the venue.
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dyauspitr 2y ago
They’re just going to deny anything is wrong, sweep deaths under the rug and carry on with absolutely nonsensical “gut feel” reactions to real problems. Hell, didn’t Hegseth say he doesn’t even believe in germs and so he doesn’t wash his hands.
- letmevoteplease 2y ago
  This is pretty clearly a joke: "Really, I don't really wash my hands ever. Germs are not a real thing. I can't see them, therefore they not real. I can't get sick." https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1856494554624442433 https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1856494554624442433
  - tharkun__ 2y ago
    And the Fox news hosts laughed at him! That's a good thing I suppose! But seriously: God am I glad I don't watch all these kinds of shows. I'd be much more sad than I already am about the state of America.
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      > laughed at him While you may be unfamiliar, the typical response when one finds a joke humorous is to laugh with someone, as seen here.
      - tharkun__ 2y ago
        That would presume that I would even entertain the idea that he was making a joke and not being dead serious. Like Trump suggesting internal application of chlorine bleach should maybe somehow work against Covid-19. That said I don't know the entire scene and what came before nor after nor do I follow what this person does and thinks usually.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    Interesting, I didn’t know the context. They’re not blameless though, with all the conspiracies they’re in bed with it’s hard to tell what’s a joke anymore.
shiroiushi 2y ago
It's really concerning how the next 4 years in America will turn out; during his 1st term, along with some clowns, Trump at least picked some people who were pretty competent. This time, the competent people want nothing to do with him (and vice versa) and he's surrounded himself entirely with incompetent clowns.
- Neonlicht 2y ago
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  - rickydroll 2y ago
    Which will declare the deaths from any future pandemic as god's will.
raylad 2y ago
So far, there's always a global pandemic whenever Trump is president.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  And through the 2000s every Democratic president has brought economic collapses.
  - infinite8s 2y ago
    The only democratic president in the 2000s was Obama, and by the time he came into office the shit was already in the air heading towards the fan.
    - Auracle 2y ago
      Yes, and as we all know Trump definitely caused COVID and the bird flu. I think that was probably the point of the comment.
  - triceratops 2y ago
    I know of collapses in 2001, 2007, and 2020. No Democratic president present for any of them. Which collapses are you referring to?
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UncleOxidant 2y ago
Will there even be a flu shot next year with rfk jr. in charge of HHS? NIH formulates what goes into to the next year's flu vaccine in the spring and HHS is over the NIH.
- etiam 2y ago
  The rest of the World won't have it skipped and I expect that US entities will not be banned outright from importing vaccines, though maybe with cost penalties added. So even in a bad case scenario you shouldn't be cut off completely, right? It's important to realize that H5N1 "bird" influenza is very different from anything that typically goes into the annual vaccines. Typical seasonal influenzas can have case fatality ratios up to about 1% for bad years if memory serves. Strains close to what's discussed in the article have had CFR into many tens of percent in spillover events. Metaphorically speaking, this one has potential to turn into a blazing inferno that makes the coronavirus spillover in 2019 look like an ambitious fire drill.
OCASMv2 2y ago
What would have a democrat president done different during the first year of the pandemic?
- piva00 2y ago
  Probably not block CDC scientists of speaking about it[0]. Also not interfere with data collection by the CDC[1]. They probably wouldn't have dismantled the global health security branch of the National Security Council either[2][3][4], 2 years prior to the pandemic. There's a timeline outlining the disastrous bullshit[5]. [0] https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-administration-interfered-cdcs-public-outreach-covid-19 https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-ad... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-cor... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0... [3] https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/191122_EndingTheCycle_GHSC_WEB_FULL_11.22.pdf https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland-security-adviser-resigns-amid-continued-turnover-in-trump-administration/2018/04/10/15db518a-3ccb-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland... [5] https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-co...
  - Auracle 2y ago
    Let’s be real - the CDC are the important ones in that situation, not the restructuring of the National Security Council. And preventing panic in the beginning isn’t a terrible idea, as we say from the toilet paper debacle. Whether or not it was warranted in retrospect it’s hard to say, but it’s not like the CDC’s messaging was clear or accurate for quite a while. When Trump tried to lock down travel from China the democrats called him racist. The Obama administration depleted the national stockpile of PPE and didn’t restock. I’m sure there are a bunch of stupid little fingers to point here and there but the fact of the matter is the US had about as many deaths as you’d expect with our demographics that ran in line with other similar countries. The Trump administration also was responsible for Operation Warpspeed, without which we would have almost certainly gotten vaccines later. The only way it could have been stopped was in China, early. Whether that would be preventing a leak, if that’s how it originated, or from an immediate local lockdown. Certainly keeping international organizations from investigating didn’t help.
tomjen3 2y ago
It sounded like the same in the beginning with monkey pox, but that did not take of in the same way covid did. We shall see.
- Auracle 2y ago
  If we were all gay men with many sexual partners though, boy would we have been in trouble! I remember my mother in law was seriously concerned about monkeypox. The media was practically salivating at the attention a new viral outbreak was getting them, not letting those pesky details of how it was mostly transmitted get out.

by xyst 2y ago

llamaimperative 2y ago

Don't worry, we're unlikely to know whether that's the case anyway. All we'll have is word of mouth to augment suppressed (or never collected) data, which is just the same as the problem not existing! https://youtu.be/Ti4sSRonNwY?t=27 https://youtu.be/Ti4sSRonNwY?t=27

nightowl_games 2y ago

One lone case doesn't remind me of early covid. Many cases reminds me of early covid. Though this case is concerning.

xcrunner529 2y ago
Cases were happening in China around Dec ‘19 and I was worried. Then a case in the US followed by “no reason to worry”. Then it spiraled.

bee_rider 2y ago

Ya know, I could have sworn I remember reading a little bit about COVID in Nov of 2019, but my recollection doesn’t line up with the Wikipedia timeline. I remember being nervous around campus at the time… although there were some other pretty bad colds going around that year, so maybe I just got mixed up. I think I recall a little bit on Reddit in Dec 2019 and Jan 2020, is that plausible? Anyway, “early COVID” had a feeling to it—stuff was going on in China but news was taking a long time to trickle out, probably just because of the language barrier, and also because nobody (general public-wise) was paying attention to that sort of thing. The bird flu stuff seems quite different, it’s been reported on quite a bit, people are hyper-vigilant about this kind of stuff now, and it has been bouncing around quite visibly in non-human animals for ages. Plus it is in the US, so we hear about it immediately. Not saying it isn’t anything to be worried about, but we’re getting updates in realtime.

drjasonharrison 2y ago
First case in December 2019. February 2, 2020 fogging machines on city streets in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLdwCdyiDCw We were definitely reading about the lockdowns in Wuhan in January 2020. January 19, 2020, the first case in Washington state was detected in a man who had recently traveled from Wuhan. Surveillance blood samples from Dec 13, 2019 to January 17, 2020 from several nine US states were tested for COVID-19 antibodies: "Of the 7389 samples, 106 were reactive by pan-Ig. Of these 106 specimens, 90 were available for further testing. Eighty-four of 90 had neutralizing activity, 1 had S1 binding activity, and 1 had receptor-binding domain/ACE2 blocking activity >50%, suggesting the presence of anti–SARS-CoV-2–reactive antibodies. Donations with reactivity occurred in all 9 states" https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472 https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472
nostrademons 2y ago
2019-2020 was also a big H1N1 (Spanish/Swine Flu) year, as were 2017-2018 and 2018-2019. Entirely possible that's what you remember reading about or getting. If COVID hadn't happened Spanish Flu would've been a big headline anyways; as it is, a lot of the people who think they got COVID before March 2020 probably actually had H1N1. Before then the case numbers are orders of magnitude higher for flu, but COVID was more transmissible and almost 10x more lethal, and so post-lockdown it dominated.
- thenipper 2y ago
  I remember going in for a physical Jan 2020 and my doctor talking about lot about the flu. He gave me the pneumonia vaccine and then was like oh there is this other thing but probably nothing to worry about…
- mleo 2y ago
  My daughter’s birthday party in January 2020 was canceled last minute due to her getting the flu. No idea of the type, but remember we were unable to reschedule due to Covid lockdowns occurring before getting rescheduled at the venue.
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dyauspitr 2y ago

They’re just going to deny anything is wrong, sweep deaths under the rug and carry on with absolutely nonsensical “gut feel” reactions to real problems. Hell, didn’t Hegseth say he doesn’t even believe in germs and so he doesn’t wash his hands.

letmevoteplease 2y ago
This is pretty clearly a joke: "Really, I don't really wash my hands ever. Germs are not a real thing. I can't see them, therefore they not real. I can't get sick." https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1856494554624442433 https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1856494554624442433
- tharkun__ 2y ago
  And the Fox news hosts laughed at him! That's a good thing I suppose! But seriously: God am I glad I don't watch all these kinds of shows. I'd be much more sad than I already am about the state of America.
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    > laughed at him While you may be unfamiliar, the typical response when one finds a joke humorous is to laugh with someone, as seen here.
    - tharkun__ 2y ago
      That would presume that I would even entertain the idea that he was making a joke and not being dead serious. Like Trump suggesting internal application of chlorine bleach should maybe somehow work against Covid-19. That said I don't know the entire scene and what came before nor after nor do I follow what this person does and thinks usually.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  Interesting, I didn’t know the context. They’re not blameless though, with all the conspiracies they’re in bed with it’s hard to tell what’s a joke anymore.

shiroiushi 2y ago

It's really concerning how the next 4 years in America will turn out; during his 1st term, along with some clowns, Trump at least picked some people who were pretty competent. This time, the competent people want nothing to do with him (and vice versa) and he's surrounded himself entirely with incompetent clowns.

Neonlicht 2y ago
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- rickydroll 2y ago
  Which will declare the deaths from any future pandemic as god's will.

raylad 2y ago

So far, there's always a global pandemic whenever Trump is president.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago
And through the 2000s every Democratic president has brought economic collapses.
- infinite8s 2y ago
  The only democratic president in the 2000s was Obama, and by the time he came into office the shit was already in the air heading towards the fan.
  - Auracle 2y ago
    Yes, and as we all know Trump definitely caused COVID and the bird flu. I think that was probably the point of the comment.
- triceratops 2y ago
  I know of collapses in 2001, 2007, and 2020. No Democratic president present for any of them. Which collapses are you referring to?

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UncleOxidant 2y ago

Will there even be a flu shot next year with rfk jr. in charge of HHS? NIH formulates what goes into to the next year's flu vaccine in the spring and HHS is over the NIH.

etiam 2y ago
The rest of the World won't have it skipped and I expect that US entities will not be banned outright from importing vaccines, though maybe with cost penalties added. So even in a bad case scenario you shouldn't be cut off completely, right? It's important to realize that H5N1 "bird" influenza is very different from anything that typically goes into the annual vaccines. Typical seasonal influenzas can have case fatality ratios up to about 1% for bad years if memory serves. Strains close to what's discussed in the article have had CFR into many tens of percent in spillover events. Metaphorically speaking, this one has potential to turn into a blazing inferno that makes the coronavirus spillover in 2019 look like an ambitious fire drill.

OCASMv2 2y ago

What would have a democrat president done different during the first year of the pandemic?

piva00 2y ago
Probably not block CDC scientists of speaking about it[0]. Also not interfere with data collection by the CDC[1]. They probably wouldn't have dismantled the global health security branch of the National Security Council either[2][3][4], 2 years prior to the pandemic. There's a timeline outlining the disastrous bullshit[5]. [0] https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-administration-interfered-cdcs-public-outreach-covid-19 https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science/trump-ad... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-cor... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/05/10/top-white-house-official-in-charge-of-pandemic-response-exits-abruptly/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0... [3] https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/191122_EndingTheCycle_GHSC_WEB_FULL_11.22.pdf https://csis-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/1... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland-security-adviser-resigns-amid-continued-turnover-in-trump-administration/2018/04/10/15db518a-3ccb-11e8-a7d1-e4efec6389f0_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-homeland... [5] https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-responses https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-co...
- Auracle 2y ago
  Let’s be real - the CDC are the important ones in that situation, not the restructuring of the National Security Council. And preventing panic in the beginning isn’t a terrible idea, as we say from the toilet paper debacle. Whether or not it was warranted in retrospect it’s hard to say, but it’s not like the CDC’s messaging was clear or accurate for quite a while. When Trump tried to lock down travel from China the democrats called him racist. The Obama administration depleted the national stockpile of PPE and didn’t restock. I’m sure there are a bunch of stupid little fingers to point here and there but the fact of the matter is the US had about as many deaths as you’d expect with our demographics that ran in line with other similar countries. The Trump administration also was responsible for Operation Warpspeed, without which we would have almost certainly gotten vaccines later. The only way it could have been stopped was in China, early. Whether that would be preventing a leak, if that’s how it originated, or from an immediate local lockdown. Certainly keeping international organizations from investigating didn’t help.

tomjen3 2y ago

It sounded like the same in the beginning with monkey pox, but that did not take of in the same way covid did. We shall see.

Auracle 2y ago
If we were all gay men with many sexual partners though, boy would we have been in trouble! I remember my mother in law was seriously concerned about monkeypox. The media was practically salivating at the attention a new viral outbreak was getting them, not letting those pesky details of how it was mostly transmitted get out.