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Much more than that, the legal system is just engaging in empire building here: Everything that is potentially relevant is subject to discovery, which increases

by lxgr 2y ago

Much more than that, the legal system is just engaging in empire building here: Everything that is potentially relevant is subject to discovery, which increases billable hours… And I assume approximately nobody in the legal sector has any interest in reducing these. The collateral damage of the incentive structure created by this dynamic must be vast. Deleting everything by default as a (reasonable, at a micro-level!) leads to immense institutional knowledge loss.

davorak 2y ago
> The collateral damage of the incentive structure created by this dynamic must be vast. Deleting everything by default as a (reasonable, at a micro-level!) leads to immense institutional knowledge loss. Agree wholeheartedly, would be great if would could step off this path, but I have not heard of any efforts in that direction or groups that champion it.
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Won't LLMs make this really easy? "Hey ChatGPT, find quotes in this 6 TB of chats to support my argument"
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- lxgr 2y ago
  Possibly? I wouldn't bet on lawyers billing any less per page of document discovery either way.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Some of them are bound to if there is free market competition going on. Anyways, they are certainly not going to let 6 million documents get in the way of a big settlement.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      > Some of them are bound to if there is free market competition going on. I trust the free market to solve over-litigation about as much as I trust it to prevent over-treatments in dentistry. Free markets work well in many cases, but self-regulation that directly diminishes the total addressable market is not exactly common. > they are certainly not going to let 6 million documents get in the way of a big settlement No, but the loser will pay for their discovery – and after at most a few steps of indirection, by extension all of society.
- kridsdale1 2y ago
  You should trust that better search tools than LLMs exist for large collections of documents for legal discovery.

by lxgr 2y ago

davorak 2y ago

> The collateral damage of the incentive structure created by this dynamic must be vast. Deleting everything by default as a (reasonable, at a micro-level!) leads to immense institutional knowledge loss. Agree wholeheartedly, would be great if would could step off this path, but I have not heard of any efforts in that direction or groups that champion it.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

Won't LLMs make this really easy? "Hey ChatGPT, find quotes in this 6 TB of chats to support my argument"

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lxgr 2y ago
Possibly? I wouldn't bet on lawyers billing any less per page of document discovery either way.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Some of them are bound to if there is free market competition going on. Anyways, they are certainly not going to let 6 million documents get in the way of a big settlement.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    > Some of them are bound to if there is free market competition going on. I trust the free market to solve over-litigation about as much as I trust it to prevent over-treatments in dentistry. Free markets work well in many cases, but self-regulation that directly diminishes the total addressable market is not exactly common. > they are certainly not going to let 6 million documents get in the way of a big settlement No, but the loser will pay for their discovery – and after at most a few steps of indirection, by extension all of society.
kridsdale1 2y ago
You should trust that better search tools than LLMs exist for large collections of documents for legal discovery.