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They won't. It's the same data collection play as every other Google project Just for clarity on this comment and a separate one, Niantic is a Google spin out

• relyks 2y ago
  Google actually has released weights for some of their models, but judging by the fact that this model is potentially valuable, they likely will not allow Niantic for this
  • ysofunny 2y ago
    > Google actually has released weights for some of their models, but judging by the fact that this model is potentially valuable, they likely will not allow Niantic for this which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it
    • aqfamnzc 2y ago
      Welcome to the modern internet. While you're at it, please get me access to Google's captcha models facebook face directory Google's GPS location data hoard, (most every android phone on the planet 24/7 (!) and any iPhone navigating with gmaps) And so on and so on All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return
      • RussianCow 2y ago
        > All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return To be fair, you received a service for free that you may have otherwise had to pay for. I'm not saying it's just, but to say you didn't get anything in return is disingenuous.
        • aqfamnzc 2y ago
          Agreed. I mostly meant that I'll never see the actual dataset that I contributed to. That's why I'd prefer to spend my time on things that I can see, like OpenStreetMap :)
          • orblivion 2y ago
            The people playing Pokemon Go will also see your OpenStreetMap contributions.
          • fragmede 2y ago
            Not the raw data, but if you've used Google maps for directions or looked at traffic, then yeah you have.
        • chipsrafferty 2y ago
          The some is true of this case, the game is free.
        • PittleyDunkin 2y ago
          While you weren't paying for it with currency, the service is most certainly not "free". There's still a transaction happening when you use the service, albeit a transaction the service provider refuses to acknowledge outside the terms of service.
      • FireBeyond 2y ago
        > any iPhone navigating with gmaps Not saying you are saying this but it amused me how many people believe(d) that Apple wasn’t mining and hoarding location data either because well, they’re Apple and they love you. All those traffic statuses in Apple Maps on minor side streets with no monitoring came from the … traffic fairy, perhaps.
      • eru 2y ago
        Well, no one is forcing you to play Poke Mongo.
    • try_the_bass 2y ago
      > which is totally unfair, every niantic player should have access to all the stuff because they collectively made it I don't understand this perspective. While all players may have collectively made this model possible, no individual player could make a model like it based on their contributions alone. Since no single player could replicate this outcome based on only their data, does it not imply that there's value created from collecting (and incentivizing collection of) the data, and subsequently processing it to create something? It actually seems more unfair to demand the collective result for yourself, when your own individual input is itself insufficient to have created it in the first place. I don't think producers of data are inherently entitled to all products produced from said data. Is a farmer entitled to the entirety of your work output because you ate a vegetable grown on their farm?
      • PittleyDunkin 2y ago
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        • Matticus_Rex 2y ago
          Niantic was clear about the product of the labor: In exchange for swiping the PokeStop, you'd get the rewards. No one was ever told they'd get more than that, and no one had any reasonable expectation that they'd get more.
          • PittleyDunkin 2y ago
            Expectations are often unreasonable from some perspective. It's not difficult to see why users are upset.
            • Matticus_Rex 2y ago
              For people who've dealt with children a lot, sure. But making an exchange and then expecting a cut of the other side's profits on top of what you exchanged for is possibly the definition of unreasonable expectations.
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    • eru 2y ago
      They got to play the game for free, and I'm fairly sure what Google is doing here is within the terms and conditions that people agreed to. (And I don't even mean only that it complies with the exact wording of the fine print that nobody reads anyway, but also that everyone expects the terms-and-conditions to say that the company owns all the data. So no surprises to anyone.)
• bitwize 2y ago
  I kept wondering why a Google spinoff was named after a river and community in Connecticut, one of the least Googley locales in the country. The connection is a ship, built in Connecticut, which brought gold rushers to San Francisco and was run aground and converted to a hotel there: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic_(whaling_vessel) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic_(whaling_vessel) The company was named after the ship.