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Its also a difficult problem. They need the right digger and the right crew at the right time and possibly the right weather to get the job done. Many times the

Its also a difficult problem. They need the right digger and the right crew at the right time and possibly the right weather to get the job done. Many times there will be weeks of juggling around schedules and suddenly the digging started three weeks after the road was finished

lo_zamoyski 2y ago
Let me ask you: how many buildings collapsed during the reign of Hammurabi?
- Carrok 2y ago
  I.. I have no idea. I don't even know who Hammurabi is. Is there a point you're trying to make? If so, care to enlighten us without assuming we all have history degrees?
  - PittleyDunkin 2y ago
    He's a rather famous chap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi Regardless, I suspect there's a point being made about the timeless ineptitude of bureaucracy (even if I don't agree with it—some cultures are notably more competent at managing logistics of public works than other are).
  - 6equj5 2y ago
    > 229 If a builder builds a house for someone, and does not construct it properly, and the house which he built falls and kills its owner, then that builder shall be put to death. http://faculty.collin.edu/mbailey/hammurabi%27s%20laws.htm http://faculty.collin.edu/mbailey/hammurabi%27s%20laws.htm
    - InDubioProRubio 2y ago
      Thus the builders guild began to charge 50 silver for insurrance yearly from its members, which resulted to all road projects having a yearly 100 silver talent cost-addition on start. 5 years after the code, the empire went bankrupt
  - yulker 2y ago
    Not obscure enough of a figure to necessitate a history degree. Well known for being one of the first to establish building codes.
    - tharkun__ 2y ago
      Yet many including myself have never heard of him. Would it have been so much to ask to put a Wikipedia link and nerd-snipe some of us in the process?
      - shiroiushi 2y ago
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        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        >Hammurabi is best known for having issued the Code of Hammurabi, which he claimed to have received from Shamash, the Babylonian god of justice. Unlike earlier Sumerian law codes, such as the Code of Ur-Nammu, which had focused on compensating the victim of the crime, the Law of Hammurabi was one of the first law codes to place greater emphasis on the physical punishment of the perpetrator. I don't think Wikipedia gets to the point quickly enough for this context to be relevant.
        shiroiushi 2y ago
        That's a valid point, but I was just responding to someone who claimed that Hammurabi was so obscure that (in their minds) no one had heard of him, and additionally complained that there was no Wikipedia link. I feel like I should have used LMGTFY. Whether the OP was making a poorly-articulated point by merely bringing up Hammurabi and expecting the reader to know about his history with building codes, I think, is a separate issue. Anyone with a basic education should have heard of Hammurabi, though they may have forgotten the specifics about him. And finding a Wikipedia link on your own is trivial.
        2y ago
  - insane_dreamer 2y ago
    Hammurabi is an ancient ruler of Mesopotamia/Babylon who is famous for establishing a written code of laws, of which copies inscribed in steles have survived to this day). I don't know of it's the earliest example of a written legal code but certainly one of the earliest that we have a record of. Among these laws were civil penalties for builders who performed shoddy workmanship: > If a builder constructs a house for a man but does not make it conform to specifications so that a wall then buckles, that builder shall make that wall sound using his own silver. By the way, the Romans also had building codes, and engineers who built bridges and roads were liable for the durability of those structures, thus a tradition of over-engineering.
    - thaumasiotes 2y ago
      > I don't know if it's the earliest example of a written legal code but certainly one of the earliest that we have a record of. It isn't, but it was discovered early and benefited from intense popular interest in the Bible. Popular interest in Mesopotamian history fell off sharply as it turned out that history generally differed from what the Bible said. It's still very early, roughly the 18th century BC. >> If a builder constructs a house for a man but does not make it conform to specifications so that a wall then buckles, that builder shall make that wall sound using his own silver. This is obviously a statement about who bears liability for fixing the wall, but it's funnier if you imagine it as a requirement for the builder to repair the wall with silver bricks, as a penalty for the original shoddy work.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    one of my classmates really resented having to take GE classes outside his major in order to graduate but looking back on it, he said they really helped him out in ways he didn't expect.
  - HPsquared 2y ago
    The antithesis to the "limited liability corporation".
  - mrexroad 2y ago
    To be fair, Hammurabi’s code is often taught in middle/high school social studies (history).
    - Carrok 2y ago
      Funny, I graduated middle and high school, paid attention in class, and have never heard of him. It's almost like different states and school districts have different curricula.
  - buildsjets 2y ago
    Wow. This was basic secondary school history when I was educated. The code of Hammurabi is considered the basis of the western judicial tradition. This baseline knowledge I would expect in any peer, it does not require a specialized degree or study. The collective infantilization of our scholastic standards is frightening.
    - vundercind 2y ago
      It's still in there. You can find the US state standards used to set baseline requirements ("learning standards") for school district curriculums online, for most (all?) states. Let's take an infamously-bad state for education ("Thank God For Mississippi") and famously good one (Massachussetts). Cmd/ctrl-F "hamm" on this one to find it for Mississippi: https://www.mdek12.org/sites/default/files/Page_Docs/final_2018_mississippi_ccr_social_studies_standards.pdf https://www.mdek12.org/sites/default/files/Page_Docs/final_2... (Theirs is a little weird [probably because their government's, you know, bad] and this comes from a non-profit organization, but it seems to in-fact be the official curriculum standards for their actual BOE, as well) Here's Massachusetts: https://www.doe.mass.edu/frameworks/hss/2018-12.pdf https://www.doe.mass.edu/frameworks/hss/2018-12.pdf Same deal, you'll find it with a search ("Hamm" also finds one occurrence of Muhammad, in this case, though, but it does get a few hits on Hammurabi) A person may have missed it due to: 1) going to schools outside the US that maybe don't emphasize Hammurabi, or 2) moving between US school systems that don't teach Hammurabi in the same year(s), such that they leave one before it's taught and arrive at the other after it's been taught.
      - jayrot 2y ago
        Another very likely explanation is that it WAS taught, but was simply forgotten. Which is completely forgivable. It's not like 6th grade had an intensive 3 month unit on Hammurabi.
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- btreecat 2y ago
  1? 1000? Regardless the answer, the lack of context makes the figure meaningless.
- ASalazarMX 2y ago
  He reigned for 42 years (1792–1750 BC), so I hope not too many.
- written-beyond 2y ago
  I'm guessing exactly equal to the number of building contractors he or his donors had beef with
- kergonath 2y ago
  Considering that we don't even know how many buildings there were at that time, I don't think anyone can give you an answer with any certainty. But that was your point?

lo_zamoyski 2y ago

Let me ask you: how many buildings collapsed during the reign of Hammurabi?

Carrok 2y ago
I.. I have no idea. I don't even know who Hammurabi is. Is there a point you're trying to make? If so, care to enlighten us without assuming we all have history degrees?
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago
  He's a rather famous chap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammurabi Regardless, I suspect there's a point being made about the timeless ineptitude of bureaucracy (even if I don't agree with it—some cultures are notably more competent at managing logistics of public works than other are).
- 6equj5 2y ago
  > 229 If a builder builds a house for someone, and does not construct it properly, and the house which he built falls and kills its owner, then that builder shall be put to death. http://faculty.collin.edu/mbailey/hammurabi%27s%20laws.htm http://faculty.collin.edu/mbailey/hammurabi%27s%20laws.htm
  - InDubioProRubio 2y ago
    Thus the builders guild began to charge 50 silver for insurrance yearly from its members, which resulted to all road projects having a yearly 100 silver talent cost-addition on start. 5 years after the code, the empire went bankrupt
- yulker 2y ago
  Not obscure enough of a figure to necessitate a history degree. Well known for being one of the first to establish building codes.
  - tharkun__ 2y ago
    Yet many including myself have never heard of him. Would it have been so much to ask to put a Wikipedia link and nerd-snipe some of us in the process?
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
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      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        >Hammurabi is best known for having issued the Code of Hammurabi, which he claimed to have received from Shamash, the Babylonian god of justice. Unlike earlier Sumerian law codes, such as the Code of Ur-Nammu, which had focused on compensating the victim of the crime, the Law of Hammurabi was one of the first law codes to place greater emphasis on the physical punishment of the perpetrator. I don't think Wikipedia gets to the point quickly enough for this context to be relevant.
        shiroiushi 2y ago
        That's a valid point, but I was just responding to someone who claimed that Hammurabi was so obscure that (in their minds) no one had heard of him, and additionally complained that there was no Wikipedia link. I feel like I should have used LMGTFY. Whether the OP was making a poorly-articulated point by merely bringing up Hammurabi and expecting the reader to know about his history with building codes, I think, is a separate issue. Anyone with a basic education should have heard of Hammurabi, though they may have forgotten the specifics about him. And finding a Wikipedia link on your own is trivial.
        2y ago
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  Hammurabi is an ancient ruler of Mesopotamia/Babylon who is famous for establishing a written code of laws, of which copies inscribed in steles have survived to this day). I don't know of it's the earliest example of a written legal code but certainly one of the earliest that we have a record of. Among these laws were civil penalties for builders who performed shoddy workmanship: > If a builder constructs a house for a man but does not make it conform to specifications so that a wall then buckles, that builder shall make that wall sound using his own silver. By the way, the Romans also had building codes, and engineers who built bridges and roads were liable for the durability of those structures, thus a tradition of over-engineering.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    > I don't know if it's the earliest example of a written legal code but certainly one of the earliest that we have a record of. It isn't, but it was discovered early and benefited from intense popular interest in the Bible. Popular interest in Mesopotamian history fell off sharply as it turned out that history generally differed from what the Bible said. It's still very early, roughly the 18th century BC. >> If a builder constructs a house for a man but does not make it conform to specifications so that a wall then buckles, that builder shall make that wall sound using his own silver. This is obviously a statement about who bears liability for fixing the wall, but it's funnier if you imagine it as a requirement for the builder to repair the wall with silver bricks, as a penalty for the original shoddy work.
- fragmede 2y ago
  one of my classmates really resented having to take GE classes outside his major in order to graduate but looking back on it, he said they really helped him out in ways he didn't expect.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  The antithesis to the "limited liability corporation".
- mrexroad 2y ago
  To be fair, Hammurabi’s code is often taught in middle/high school social studies (history).
  - Carrok 2y ago
    Funny, I graduated middle and high school, paid attention in class, and have never heard of him. It's almost like different states and school districts have different curricula.
- buildsjets 2y ago
  Wow. This was basic secondary school history when I was educated. The code of Hammurabi is considered the basis of the western judicial tradition. This baseline knowledge I would expect in any peer, it does not require a specialized degree or study. The collective infantilization of our scholastic standards is frightening.
  - vundercind 2y ago
    It's still in there. You can find the US state standards used to set baseline requirements ("learning standards") for school district curriculums online, for most (all?) states. Let's take an infamously-bad state for education ("Thank God For Mississippi") and famously good one (Massachussetts). Cmd/ctrl-F "hamm" on this one to find it for Mississippi: https://www.mdek12.org/sites/default/files/Page_Docs/final_2018_mississippi_ccr_social_studies_standards.pdf https://www.mdek12.org/sites/default/files/Page_Docs/final_2... (Theirs is a little weird [probably because their government's, you know, bad] and this comes from a non-profit organization, but it seems to in-fact be the official curriculum standards for their actual BOE, as well) Here's Massachusetts: https://www.doe.mass.edu/frameworks/hss/2018-12.pdf https://www.doe.mass.edu/frameworks/hss/2018-12.pdf Same deal, you'll find it with a search ("Hamm" also finds one occurrence of Muhammad, in this case, though, but it does get a few hits on Hammurabi) A person may have missed it due to: 1) going to schools outside the US that maybe don't emphasize Hammurabi, or 2) moving between US school systems that don't teach Hammurabi in the same year(s), such that they leave one before it's taught and arrive at the other after it's been taught.
    - jayrot 2y ago
      Another very likely explanation is that it WAS taught, but was simply forgotten. Which is completely forgivable. It's not like 6th grade had an intensive 3 month unit on Hammurabi.
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btreecat 2y ago
1? 1000? Regardless the answer, the lack of context makes the figure meaningless.
ASalazarMX 2y ago
He reigned for 42 years (1792–1750 BC), so I hope not too many.
written-beyond 2y ago
I'm guessing exactly equal to the number of building contractors he or his donors had beef with
kergonath 2y ago
Considering that we don't even know how many buildings there were at that time, I don't think anyone can give you an answer with any certainty. But that was your point?