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More chaos. Plus overall warming (which will ie rise ocean levels), which is again chaotic so it can even mean some local drops. I think for many this is the l

by jajko 2y ago

More chaos. Plus overall warming (which will ie rise ocean levels), which is again chaotic so it can even mean some local drops. I think for many this is the limit of how they can/want to understand whats inevitably coming. More info causes many to zone out, move it quickly to mumbo-jumbo and seek another dopamine hit or some other cheap empty fun. Like it or not, we need for regular Joe to care at least a bit and understand at least on surface why. If we wrap it in economy like many populists do, that battle is lost (which may be intentional on their part).

morkalork 2y ago
I dunno, the nihilism is creeping in. Why not buy that nice steak at the market today? The price of beef is only going to be higher next year. And so it goes.
- defrost 2y ago
  Russia anticipates Siberia becoming cattle country and has been sending and supporting Russians to Texas to train as cowboys and take part in rodeos.
  - jmclnx 2y ago
    Russia just needs to hope China does not invade Siberia :) I kind of expect this to happen when the south part of China becomes uninhabitable due to warming. IIRC, China has 10x the number of people than Russia.
itsoktocry 2y ago
>More chaos. Is it your opinion that climate change is universally bad? Language like "more chaos" make it sound that way: whatever changes happen are bad. I can't imagine that's the case. Some things will certainly be bad, and some not so much.
- idiotsecant 2y ago
  If, for example, you are a cockroach it'll probably be great! Humans, however, particularly in the modern world, are very dependant on all parts of a very complex system operating to enjoy the quality of life many readers on HN enjoy. An unceasing labyrinthine supply chain operates day and night with tendrils in a million other complex systems in order to make sure that you have food, water, medicine, law and order, HVAC, etc. We are an inch from chaos, moreso than any time in history. Substantial disruption to these systems will be poorly tolerated and could easily lead to the kind of lifestyle we haven't seen since we found out that sharpened sticks make for excellent negotiation devices.
- vkou 2y ago
  If I go to your house, and start messing with your thermostat, as well as the internal temperature sensors for your fridge and freezer, would you say that's fine, because some of the changes are not bad? Surely, you wouldn't mind your freezer warming to above freezing every other Tuesday? That change may be bad, but some of the other changes I'll make might be good... Our societies optimize around climate bands, be it in agriculture, housing, transportation, etc. The benefit of having temperatures and weather swinging in a 'good' direction half the time will be more than offset by them swinging in a 'bad' direction even a fraction of the time. The PNW might not mind a 60 degree winter (it's better than a 50 degree one, except for the pine beetle eating all of its lumber because the winters aren't cold enough to kill it, but that ship has sailed years ago), but it sure as hell will mind 100 degree highs in the summer (which are much worse than 90 degree ones). The last time one happened in 2021, over a thousand people died. And on the agricultural front: It takes three months to grow our food crops, but it only takes one bad weekend to ruin a harvest. Luckily, I'll probably be dead before the worst of this will existentially affect me. Your kids will be the ones who will have to sort out the mess that people currently upset over $4 eggs are making. Bon appetit!
  - bokohut 2y ago
    I was (un)fortunate to be in the PNW during the second week of July this year when temperatures in White Salmon, WA on the Columbia River Gorge hit 113 degrees Fahrenheit. The infrastructure architect in me saw nothing but HVAC deployments going in everywhere all the while the energy grid was doing rolling blackouts from the spike in cooling demand for those that had it. Most importantly was the immediate commercial reaction as NEARLY ALL BUSINESSES WERE CLOSED in the region because the locals could not deal with the abnormally high temperature delta as few places had cooling. That last line is critical to those that are cognizant of economics and where "speculated" climate change will lead the human population. We all will certainly be dead at some point in our futures however the verdict remains out on "weather" Mother Nature will continue to freeze, drown, burn, and roast us away. What you cannot see matters most! Stay Healthy!

by jajko 2y ago

morkalork 2y ago

I dunno, the nihilism is creeping in. Why not buy that nice steak at the market today? The price of beef is only going to be higher next year. And so it goes.

defrost 2y ago
Russia anticipates Siberia becoming cattle country and has been sending and supporting Russians to Texas to train as cowboys and take part in rodeos.
- jmclnx 2y ago
  Russia just needs to hope China does not invade Siberia :) I kind of expect this to happen when the south part of China becomes uninhabitable due to warming. IIRC, China has 10x the number of people than Russia.

itsoktocry 2y ago

>More chaos. Is it your opinion that climate change is universally bad? Language like "more chaos" make it sound that way: whatever changes happen are bad. I can't imagine that's the case. Some things will certainly be bad, and some not so much.

idiotsecant 2y ago
If, for example, you are a cockroach it'll probably be great! Humans, however, particularly in the modern world, are very dependant on all parts of a very complex system operating to enjoy the quality of life many readers on HN enjoy. An unceasing labyrinthine supply chain operates day and night with tendrils in a million other complex systems in order to make sure that you have food, water, medicine, law and order, HVAC, etc. We are an inch from chaos, moreso than any time in history. Substantial disruption to these systems will be poorly tolerated and could easily lead to the kind of lifestyle we haven't seen since we found out that sharpened sticks make for excellent negotiation devices.
vkou 2y ago
If I go to your house, and start messing with your thermostat, as well as the internal temperature sensors for your fridge and freezer, would you say that's fine, because some of the changes are not bad? Surely, you wouldn't mind your freezer warming to above freezing every other Tuesday? That change may be bad, but some of the other changes I'll make might be good... Our societies optimize around climate bands, be it in agriculture, housing, transportation, etc. The benefit of having temperatures and weather swinging in a 'good' direction half the time will be more than offset by them swinging in a 'bad' direction even a fraction of the time. The PNW might not mind a 60 degree winter (it's better than a 50 degree one, except for the pine beetle eating all of its lumber because the winters aren't cold enough to kill it, but that ship has sailed years ago), but it sure as hell will mind 100 degree highs in the summer (which are much worse than 90 degree ones). The last time one happened in 2021, over a thousand people died. And on the agricultural front: It takes three months to grow our food crops, but it only takes one bad weekend to ruin a harvest. Luckily, I'll probably be dead before the worst of this will existentially affect me. Your kids will be the ones who will have to sort out the mess that people currently upset over $4 eggs are making. Bon appetit!
- bokohut 2y ago
  I was (un)fortunate to be in the PNW during the second week of July this year when temperatures in White Salmon, WA on the Columbia River Gorge hit 113 degrees Fahrenheit. The infrastructure architect in me saw nothing but HVAC deployments going in everywhere all the while the energy grid was doing rolling blackouts from the spike in cooling demand for those that had it. Most importantly was the immediate commercial reaction as NEARLY ALL BUSINESSES WERE CLOSED in the region because the locals could not deal with the abnormally high temperature delta as few places had cooling. That last line is critical to those that are cognizant of economics and where "speculated" climate change will lead the human population. We all will certainly be dead at some point in our futures however the verdict remains out on "weather" Mother Nature will continue to freeze, drown, burn, and roast us away. What you cannot see matters most! Stay Healthy!