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> How much do the lawyers deserve to know? Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees.

> How much do the lawyers deserve to know? Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees. If they were trying to confiscate my personal mobile that I use for work I will never go along with that. Luckily I live in Europe where the atmosphere is far less litigious.

marssaxman 2y ago
> If they were trying to confiscate my personal mobile that I use for work That is a good reason never to use your personal mobile for work! If you really need a phone to do your job, your employer should be paying for it anyway.
- doubled112 2y ago
  Exactly. People look at me like I have two heads when I tell them that my work devices are for work things and personal devices are for personal things. There are very rare exceptions to this rule.
vineyardmike 2y ago
> Luckily I live in Europe where the atmosphere is far less litigious. Not if your name is Google Inc. > Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees. This refers to employees communicating in a work setting not personal communications. Not saying there should be cameras in the bathroom but if you’re talking to coworkers on an @google email about work… it feels hard to justify saying it’s private.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  People are still human beings even while at work. There is a limit to how much an employer owns a person, even when they are an employee, even when they are in the building, even when they are on the clock. Employers try to push that as far as they can get away with, so there are current examples of employees being treated worse than cattle that should be illegal and probably is, but that is just employers overreaching and getting away with it because of the usual power discrepency. And my point with all that is the rest of us have no right to anything the employer has no right to.
wbl 2y ago
The only thing that can be brought into court is what you did at work. What privacy interest is there in that?
- wkat4242 2y ago
  It's not just about the court, I'm not going to let some sleazy lawyers inspect my phone. If they make me have it over I'll wipe it first.
solarkraft 2y ago
> They can look at the company's actions This would work if we could punish wrongdoing regardless of intent, a standard probably reasonable against companies (they should know better after all). But this is not how it usually goes: Usually incompetence has to be ruled out and criminal intent has to be proven.

marssaxman 2y ago

> If they were trying to confiscate my personal mobile that I use for work That is a good reason never to use your personal mobile for work! If you really need a phone to do your job, your employer should be paying for it anyway.

doubled112 2y ago
Exactly. People look at me like I have two heads when I tell them that my work devices are for work things and personal devices are for personal things. There are very rare exceptions to this rule.

vineyardmike 2y ago

> Luckily I live in Europe where the atmosphere is far less litigious. Not if your name is Google Inc. > Nothing IMO. They can look at the company's actions. There's no need to invade the privacy of individual employees. This refers to employees communicating in a work setting not personal communications. Not saying there should be cameras in the bathroom but if you’re talking to coworkers on an @google email about work… it feels hard to justify saying it’s private.

Brian_K_White 2y ago
People are still human beings even while at work. There is a limit to how much an employer owns a person, even when they are an employee, even when they are in the building, even when they are on the clock. Employers try to push that as far as they can get away with, so there are current examples of employees being treated worse than cattle that should be illegal and probably is, but that is just employers overreaching and getting away with it because of the usual power discrepency. And my point with all that is the rest of us have no right to anything the employer has no right to.

wbl 2y ago

The only thing that can be brought into court is what you did at work. What privacy interest is there in that?

wkat4242 2y ago
It's not just about the court, I'm not going to let some sleazy lawyers inspect my phone. If they make me have it over I'll wipe it first.

solarkraft 2y ago

> They can look at the company's actions This would work if we could punish wrongdoing regardless of intent, a standard probably reasonable against companies (they should know better after all). But this is not how it usually goes: Usually incompetence has to be ruled out and criminal intent has to be proven.