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What is the origin of the lake tank image that has become a meme? (2021)
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- legutierr 2y agoThis feels like a ghost of the internet of the 1990s. This writeup deserves its own website, something with minimal CSS, where you'll discover a bunch of family snapshots and party photos if you click around.
- ndileas 2y agoThat's an aesthetic / scene preference (that I happen to agree with). The content is the most important part -- you can find this kind of curiosity and knowledge seeking all over the place. It'll probably even stay readable on stackexchange longer than the average handmade site from the 90s.
- verisimi 2y ago> where you'll discover a bunch of family snapshots and party photos if you click around. Yes, lovely. The sort of site where private moments might be kindly shared by an individual. To be distinguished from the forcible asset stripping and loss of ownership (theft, really) that form the terms and conditions of a large corporate's ToS today.
- flir 2y agoI still think wikipedia hit those "this is my passion" sites harder than social media did. What's the point of building a site about widgets, when 90% of people are just going to hit the Widget page on wikipedia?
- xxr 2y agoPlus Wikipedia offers arguing about widgets with other widget enthusiasts/detractors as a first-class feature via the Talk page.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoIf you know so much about Widgets that you don't need to consult Wikipedia about them yourself, you know more than it'd accept anyway. Wikipedia does not compete with passion sites of people deeply into a topic; if anything, it uses them as citations. Also, counting audience is a thing that matters when you're running ads, which kind of disqualifies you from the passion site category, or as a trustworthy source of knowledge.
- account42 2y agoThe point is to have a site that is not just going to be deleted because some permanently only jerk thinks Widgets aren't noteworthy enough.
- inopinatus 2y agoIt could form an entire Lucas Pope game.
- hehehheh 2y agoWhere the url root is /~username, and if there is an error it is an Apache one not Nginx and certainly not a 404 page that cost $10k to design.
- tomcam 2y agohttp://lileks.com/bleats/index.html http://lileks.com/bleats/index.html
- lqet 2y agoWhy on earth doesn't the top answer have more upvotes. Impressive research, with full background, alternative pictures and an original picture of the panzer falling into the river.
- pbrowne011 2y agoWhile this didn't get much attention on History Stack Exchange, see ConeOfArc's YouTube video (which has 963k views as of today): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaRO_dTqO1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaRO_dTqO1E See also ConeOfArc's video from a month later, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO58B6LcTfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO58B6LcTfM (1M views). The video above is about the initial search and problem, this video is after many Internet strangers worked together to solve it.
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- dist-epoch 2y agoModern remix: https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+in+river+ukraine https://www.google.com/search?q=tank+in+river+ukraine
- nxnxhxnxhz 2y ago[flagged]
- hayleox 2y ago> The photo was taken about coordinates 50.29092467073664, 4.893099128823844 near modern Wallonia, Belgium on the Meuse River. Great writeup, but I did have a little chuckle reading "it was taken about near here", followed by coordinates precise enough to identify a single atom. https://xkcd.com/2170/ https://xkcd.com/2170/
- vardump 2y agoGoing to be a different atom once you walk near. Or temperature changes, the wind blows, and so on. We’ll need to give each atom a unique ID. That would solve the problem.
- dylan604 2y agoIPv8 is accepting RFCs
- Aerroon 2y agoThere are 10^80 atoms in the universe, therefore 266 bits are enough to give each a unique identifier. Due to how computers work maybe we can do two numbers: a 32-bit type or area code and a 256-bit counter. Or perhaps we just combine them into a single 272 or 288 or 320-bit number.
- stackghost 2y agoTime for Intel to climb out of the pit by introducing x86_266
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- wongarsu 2y agoEarth has about 2^170 atoms. If we ignore the core and mantle, focusing on the crust, surface and atmosphere, we should be able to cram it into IPv6. Even if we add a couple planets and moons in the future. At least if we stop giving each person 18 quintillion IPs just because we once thought encoding MAC addresses in the lower 64 bits was a good idea.
- bbqfog 2y agoThat's a meme? I've never seen that photo before in my life and I'm pretty aware of most memes.
- bityard 2y agoThere are more memes than one person can know.
- CoopaTroopa 2y agoJust google 'tank of the lake, what is your wisdom' and you can catch up on a new meme genre
- SoftTalker 2y agoI think a very small number of people today are aware of Arthurian legend. I think I have heard the phrase "lady of the lake" before but never really knew any context around it until I just now searched the term. I would have guessed it was the name of a ship or something.
- jt2190 2y agoYeah and I seriously question what feels like “I couldn’t find anything about this in Google therefore nobody knows anything about this”. [1] I worked in a specialized reference library for a while and it was very eye-opening to see university students fail to find, say, 90% of our materials. [1] Quoting: > However, no-one seems to know the origins of the image
- swores 2y agoDo you have a go-to bit of advice you give to students who you've spotted are lacking research (and just plain search) skills? (i.e. Something to kickstart them in the right direction, not just a way of saying "learn how to search better!")
- plagiarist 2y agoI think people prefer the similar (derivative?) "senpai of the pool" for receiving wisdom from a non-native occupant of a body of water.
- shahzaibmushtaq 2y agoI haven't seen the lake tank image being used as a meme anywhere, except now or maybe I have to explore the world of memes some more. Hats off to all who helped each other find this once lost story from history.
- napolux 2y agohttps://knowyourmeme.com/memes/panzer-of-the-lake https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/panzer-of-the-lake
- Iulioh 2y agoAnother point is the fact that i saw more "anime version" of this meme than the original foto
- napolux 2y agoi'm aware of the "senpai of the pool" version, but probably i'm biased... I'm a huge WW2 nerd.
- shahzaibmushtaq 2y agoWent there for the first time and found out it's banned in my country.
- sss111 2y agowhich country?
- edm0nd 2y agoFrom their X bio, Pakistan.
- shahzaibmushtaq 2y agoYes, it is Pakistan.
- hermitcrab 2y agoGermans pioneers wore white uniforms? That sounds like the worst possible colour for digging ditches, recovering tanks or camouflage (if it isn't snowing). Why would they do that? Did Hugo Boss do the design?
- Retric 2y agoEdit: ops, that joke wasn’t clear. A prisoner’s uniform needs to be cheap, distinctive, and easy to spot it doesn’t need to be clean.
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- jabl 2y agoIf the person were a prisoner he wouldn't be carrying a rifle..
- Retric 2y agoThus the joke… It’s a play on words, and the involuntary nature of service in the German military at the time.
- hermitcrab 2y agoFor some value of 'joke'.
- Retric 2y agoFair, but it’s a meme thread. My initial thought was. Pioneer: O panzer of the lake, why are our uniforms white? Panther: They must be easy to spot. But, I tried to reach past the pun and failed.
- 1-more 2y agoGerman Army had 1.3 million conscripts and 2.4 million volunteers in the period 1935-1939 so odds are he signed up to be there.
- arnaudsm 2y agoNerd sniping is my favorite kind of content on the internet https://xkcd.com/356/ https://xkcd.com/356/
- kedarkhand 2y agoOk, now I need the answer to that question, what will the resistance...
- jackwilsdon 2y agoAnswered on explain xkcd ((4/π − 1/2) ohms, or roughly 0.773 ohms): https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/356:_Nerd_Sniping https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/356:_Nerd_Sniping
- tim333 2y ago(4/pi − 1/2) ohms that is. HN does funny things to the pi symbol.
- actionfromafar 2y agoMust resist urge...
- eddd-ddde 2y agoThe equivalent of dropping grains of rice so some mythical creature is forced to count every single one.
- motoboi 2y ago[flagged]
- Rebelgecko 2y agoAre they training on StackOverflow?
- triyambakam 2y agoHow would that be very different? I sent that prompt now and got a similar response, not as detailed, but the summary is correct and the same.
- layer8 2y agoI’m so scarred by LLMs that I wonder if I’d ever be able to trust it.
- gojiramothra 2y ago> It's a Panzer IVD of the 31st Panzer Regiment assigned to the 5th Panzer Div. commanded by Lt. Heinz Zobel lost on May 13th, 1940. The "lake" is the Meuse River. The man is a German pioneer. Interesting uniform
- mxfh 2y agoSince Know Your Meme doesn't give the reference for why it's a lake, maybe not everybody is familiar with british lore: The mythical Lady of the Lake: Probably best known via Monthy Python: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. In short: She teaches Lancelot arts and writing, infusing him with wisdom and courage, and overseeing his training to become an unsurpassed warrior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_the_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_the_Lake https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EnigmaticEmpower...
- mrandish 2y agoThis reminds me that Monty Python and the Holy Grail contributed actual historical knowledge about Arthurian legends to my knowledge base while growing up. Other examples of Python unintentional education include knowing the names of a myriad of obscure cheeses (the cheese shop skit), a shocking number of anachronistic synonyms for death (the parrot skit) and notable contributions of the Roman Empire (Life of Brian 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' skit). While it didn't contribute to my GPA at the time, I'm sure I could name more notable philosophers than any other 8th grader in my school (philosopher's song skit). However, in high school it did spark the interest to look up and read about each of the philosophers in the song.
- graemep 2y agoThe problem is that comedy is frequently not factually accurate. Roman Imperial contributions? Was Roman wine better than pre-Roman wine in that region? Did they improve sanitation, irrigation, medicine etc.? Rome was an oppressive slavery based society. Then what about the Spanish Inquisition sketch? It keeps repeating "fanatically devoted to the Pope"" The Spanish inquisition was an arm of the Spanish monarchy, at least two Popes tried to shut it down, and some historians have suggested one of its aims was to reduce the power of the Papacy. I do like the Philosopher's Song, the Dead Parrot and Cheese Shop. Other comedies are no better. Black Adder has a witchfinder (an early modorn innovation) in a Medieval setting. Pop culture is not historically accurate!
- brcmthrowaway 2y agoCan tanks work underwater?
- INTPenis 2y agoOnly if they get paid overtime.
- marssaxman 2y agoSome of them can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9itXfVSMj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9itXfVSMj0
- wongarsu 2y agoWith a snorkel attached. The engine needs oxygen and dislikes water. Both sides of the war invented that capability in the early 40s, though obviously not every tank had the capability. It's also a great example of the doctrines and tradeoffs of different armies. For example Russian tanks usually have space-efficient thin snorkels, while modern Western tanks have wide snorkels that double as a way for the crew to escape if they get stuck while driving submerged
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- rcarmo 2y agoThe fact that this extraordinarily obscure question had such a thoroughly researched and intricately detailed answer almost restores my faith in Internet forums.
- asveikau 2y agoHelps that it tickles a few things that people in subcultures get very nerdy about: military topics, WWII, etc.
- ChuckMcM 2y agoWhen I toured Jacques Littlefield's Tank Ranch they had, what I believe to be, this exact tank. They told the story of how it had been lost in the river and sat there and they went to see if it was still there and arranged to get it removed and returned to California where they restored it. If someone was so motivated, they could probably go back to the internet archives of the auction that happened after Jacques died to find a picture of both the restored tank and its providence.
- cobb 2y agoI toured that farm as well and took some pictures of that tank, unfortunately not from the same angle as the meme: https://photos.app.goo.gl/n5sSHPBWHT5YMdrc8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/n5sSHPBWHT5YMdrc8 I remember the story being it came from a river in Belgium, but the dates don’t match the claim of it being recovered in 1941.
- muststopmyths 2y agoThe stack exchange link and the article about the search say it was recovered in 1941
- noahlt 2y agoThis entire deep dive is great. I feel compelled to call out this heroism: > 1st Lieutenant de Wispelaere had prepared the bridge for demolition ... De Wispelaere immediately pushed the electrical ignition, but there was no explosion... Wispelaere now left his shelter and worked the manual ignition device. Trying to get back to his bunker, he was hit by a burst from a German machine gun and fell to the ground, mortally wounded. At the same time, the explosive charge went off.
- nate321 2y agoThis is also mentioned in the ConeOfArc video linked on stackexchange. However, at 4:17 in the video, the speaker shows a sign describing two versions of the event. In the first version, Wispelaere died due to a German shell (not a machine gun). In the second version, he was killed by the explosion of the detonating device after shortening the fuse (“l’explosion du dispositif de mise à feu”; not sure how to translate this exactly).
- ctchocula 2y agoThere's a similar scene in "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by Ernest Hemingway.
- mewse-hn 2y agoI think this is basically the final scene from "The Bridge on the River Kwai" movie as well
- moffkalast 2y ago"Panzer of the Lake, what is your origin?" "Krupp factory in Essen, apparently."
- jknoepfler 2y agoI love the train of comments confidently but incorrectly identifying the tank (there are at least three highly-specific, different identifications given which use words like "definitely" and make claims to expertise).
- endoblast 2y agoDon't know the origin of the image but I wonder if it formed the inspiration for this iconic hostile emergence from the River Thames: https://shorturl.at/yGKOg https://shorturl.at/yGKOg