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Assuming it was intentional, just trying the waters. Testing what the response is, who actually responds versus who's willing to sweep the incident under the ca
by flohofwoe 2y ago
Assuming it was intentional, just trying the waters. Testing what the response is, who actually responds versus who's willing to sweep the incident under the carpet, how hard any response is and how quickly it happens, how much of the internet infrastructure is affected for how long, etc... etc... that's a lot of useful information as preparation for an actual attack.
- eric-hu 2y agoThis is really interesting how you’ve explained it. In many professional fights the competitors start matches with light, quick jabs to probe their opponents defense. This feels just like that now that you put it this way. I never connected those dots though.
- diggan 2y agoMaybe it's because I'm Swedish and we've experienced Russia's "probing defenses" tactic for a very long time (mainly "breaking" into Swedish airspace with airplanes, and discovering submarines at the Swedish shores), but I always thought this was common knowledge, always interesting to learn it isn't for everyone :)
- lifestyleguru 2y agoThe situation escalated beyond probing, this is tit for tat response for Ukraine getting and launching US tactical missiles. Russia seems to be now aggressively monitoring and raiding the submarine pipes and cables. Blowing up of Nord Stream made Russia go ballistic.
- diggan 2y ago> The situation escalated beyond probing Not sure we understand "probing" differently. Russian currently is at the edges, testing the responses from things like cutting cables and otherwise interfering with the infrastructure. This is what "probing" means for me. "Beyond probing" would be actually launching attacks one way or another, which we haven't seen yet (except of course, for the Ukraine invasion).
- fsckboy 2y ago>"Beyond probing" would be actually launching attacks one way or another, which we haven't seen yet he's saying "this was not a probe, this was an actually launched attack"
- euroderf 2y agoA next step for them might be to disable/poison something like an entire urban water distribution system. But come to think of it, the US et al. might be able to do the same back to Russia. Because, you see, there is a whole 'nother ladder of escalation to explore. A submarine cable is an attractive target for Russia because Russia doesn't have cables of their own exposed: Russia is a continental power, not a maritime alliance. A cable attack is an asymmetric attack, difficult to respond to appropriately.
- mongol 2y agoI recently saw a cable from St Petersburg to Kaliningrad at one of these maps.
- jajko 2y agoIt would be a shame if somebody dragged a massive ship anchor over it by accident. Through potato field.
- Terr_ 2y agoAgain? [0] > The 1,000 kilometre (620 miles) Baltika cable belonging to state-owned Rostelecom runs from the region of St. Petersburg to the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad on the southern Baltic Sea. > A gas pipeline linking Finland and Estonia and two other telecoms cables, connecting Estonia to Finland and Sweden, were also damaged last month. Finnish police believe damage to the Baltic connector gas pipeline was caused by a Chinese container ship dragging its anchor along the seabed but have not concluded whether this was an accident or a deliberate act. > The Finnish coast guard said the Russian outage may be linked to the previously reported damage. [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-says-russian-baltic-sea-telecoms-cable-also-damaged-2023-11-06/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-says-russian-ba...
- llamaimperative 2y agoNo, decades of rampant kleptocracy and alcoholism made Russia go ballistic
- snapcaster 2y agoso i guess you've got russia all figured out. what's your excuse for the staggering amounts of violence and invasions from americans?
- llamaimperative 2y agoA savior complex that's sometimes misled, sometimes absolutely warranted.
- codezero 2y agoWhich regions has the US annexed into its constitution?
- WalterSear 2y agoDecades? I suppose that 40 decades is still decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc
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- drtgh 2y ago> Blowing up of Nord Stream made Russia go ballistic Russia started invading Ukraine six months before Nord Stream blow up. Previously Russia invaded Crimea in 2014. The next invaded country, will be also an escalation? All of this is about a few psychopaths filling their pockets with the money that generates the corpses of their criminal business, some encouraging the production of war, others encouraging the waging of war. Why are these psychopaths and their "business" not prosecuted?
- Numerlor 2y agoBecause their prosecution means going to war. I don't know about you but as someone living less than 30 minutes from Ukraine I don't want my country to go to war.
- wbl 2y agoSi vis pacem, para bellum.
- dgfitz 2y ago> If you want peace, prepare for war
- jyounker 2y agoIf Ukraine falls, the war is coming whether we like it or not.
- groby_b 2y agoAnd what makes you think it won't, anyways? Quoth Churchill: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile-hoping it will eat him last." The crocodile is still intent on eating you, even if you're nice to it. I really wish Europe would start understanding that.
- mediaman 2y agoWho are you referring to? Putin and Russian oligarchs? If so, how would you imagine the mechanics of prosecuting them to work?
- Gud 2y agoNot just Russian. Even NATO aircraft were rejected frequently, though not anymore for obvious reasons. https://youtu.be/Z_EnkvE6LZA https://youtu.be/Z_EnkvE6LZA
- eric-hu 2y agoI lived in Taiwan for a while and China does this to Taiwan often. Flying planes into Taiwan’s air defense identification zone, sailing warships through the strait. It’s portrayed in (US, TW) media as war preparations, but some locals assume it’s all bark with no bite. How are those Russian actions portrayed in Swedish media?
- chii 2y agowhen your enemy cry wolf consistently, you can become complacent and stop being overly alert. This conditioning is how you prepare for an actual attack, so that they're not prepared at the actual time of the real attack. It's also why some military exercises near a country is considered provocative, even tho it's "just an exercise". Not to mention that it drains resources to respond/monitor these cry-wolf fakes.
- mrguyorama 2y ago>This feels just like that now that you put it this way. I never connected those dots though. Boxers learned from the art of war, not the other way around. "Probing attacks" are a standard doctrine. It's not always a clear signal of intent to increase hostilities because it's also just useful as an intelligence gathering exercise.
- viraptor 2y agoThat's very similar to how the "accidental" flights over neighbouring territory works as far as I understand. This happens regularly between many countries. Just far enough to get some response, but not enough to get shot down immediately.
- diggan 2y ago> This happens regularly between many countries. I cannot find any lists (either in English or Swedish) but I remember Russia has been accidentally breaking into Swedish airspace like once a year for as long as I can remember. Submarines also sometimes "accidentally" end up close to Swedish shores. It'd be interesting to see some total numbers, and compare other countries with how often it happens between Sweden/Russia.
- pantalaimon 2y ago> but not enough to get shot down Doesn't always work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shootdown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Russian_Sukhoi_Su-24_shoo...
- account42 2y agoWhich is the only proper response to unwelcome military aircraft.