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German WWII Soldier Grave Found with Mesolithic Tools, Roman and Byzantine Coins
- dvh 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoUnfortunately, not a time traveler. That would be something else, finding a 4000 year old grave with someone with composite fillings, titanium bone implants, wearing the remains of a smartphone in various jewelry / clothing and, knowing how these things go, having a deeply engraved granite slab with a message to the future, something like "don't invent time travel!" or "do not Awaken the Dreamer!"
- arethuza 2y agoOr as the Eschaton puts it "Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else."
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoRaining Telephones and Curators!
- Andrex 2y agoAfter Googling this quote I have a new book to read, thank you
- flanbiscuit 2y agoSingularity Sky for anyone curious (like me who googled it as well) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_Sky https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_Sky
- libertine 2y ago> Unfortunately, not a time traveler. That's what They want you to believe!, for sure some conspiracy theorists will run with this, and probably be guests on Joe Rogan Podcast.
- vasco 2y agoA time traveler would've likely had his stuff stolen, or the grave pillaged. Probably easier to check what kind of dental work they had.
- comrh 2y agoArchimedes with a wrist watch.
- JimmyWilliams1 2y ago[dead]
- aquova 2y agoVery interesting find. I think it's not uncommon to find many eras of artifacts in the same site, simply because sites ranging back even to the neolithic continue to be used as time goes on. My layman assumption is that this was a decent sized community for a number of centuries that eventually died out, which this German solider happened to die on top of during the war.
- postepowanieadm 2y agoIt's more prosaic: he was carrying precious artifacts with him.
- mossTechnician 2y agoI thought there was a more concise way to write "German WWII soldier".
- BenFranklin100 2y agoIs woke-washing the Nazis a thing now? “soldier collected ancient coins as a hobby or perhaps exchanged or acquired them during his military movements” is an interesting way to describe stolen war goods.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoIf social reality is a fabric not giving in, and instead your story starts collapsing in on itself, you can always try to edit reality out of history.
- BenFranklin100 2y agoI have no idea what this means and I’m not sure you do either.
- mossTechnician 2y agoI don't know if it's applicable here, but the title reminded me of how TikTok and YouTube encourage users to use innuendos for things - another well-known one is "unalive" in place of "murder" or "kill." And it's actually entering our lexicon. This isn't intended to be a dig at the archaeology blog (pun intended) but it's just something that reminded me of this shift.
- HPsquared 2y agoI suppose archaeologists strive to stick to the evidence and avoid presumptions.
- heysammy 2y agoIt is for people who see themselves in others and get offended, apparently.
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- sandworm101 2y ago>> The first surprise was the discovery of a pit containing the remains of a German soldier, likely fallen in battle in February 1945 during the fights over the Grzybek bridge in the final days of World War II. However, what seemed to be a significant find soon revealed additional secrets, leading the team to an even older and extraordinary discovery. Contrary to almost all comments so far, the dead soldier and the artifacts are not related. And this is not a grave. This is where a soldier fell. A grave is where someone is buried, not the place where they were killed and lost to history. The soldier may have been wounded and hiding in the pit, or literally fell atop, but would not have been burried there by anyone. The older artifacts were there long before ww2.
- Arainach 2y agoIn practice, the term grave is often used for any final resting place whether intentionally buried or not e.g. "watery grave".
- tokai 2y agoHe could very well have been buried. Getting rid of the corpses after a battle is important.
- sandworm101 2y agoA modern battlefield grave is identifiable. Any trained archaeologist would spot such a grave, describe and most likely report it to authorities. There are recognizable signs. We dont dispose of dead soldiers in unmarked pits, not individuals.
- Arainach 2y agoBy February 1945 the war was going poor enough for Germany that it's unlikely all such graves had full procedures followed.
- Teever 2y agoAll modern battlefield graves are identifiable as such? That seems like the kind of bold and all encompassing statement that would be trivial to prove incorrect.
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- codr7 2y agoGiven the Nazi interest in ancient cultures I find the hobby-theory to be the least likely explanation.
- thaumasiotes 2y agoThe Nazis were intensely interested in ancient cultures; why do you think they called themselves "Aryans" and represented themselves with a swastika?
- wongarsu 2y agoThere is also a popular series of Hollywood movies about an American professor of archeology who tries to prevent the Nazis from finding priceless historic artifacts. And while the American involvement is an invention of George Lucas, high-ranking Nazis searching for the Holy Grail and Thor's Hammer very much did happen.
- readyplayernull 2y agoWe never left mysticism.
- carschno 2y ago"We" may be a bit over-generalized, but mysticism and superstition are certainly essential for totalitarian ideologies. > people even of supposedly “normal” mind are prepared to accept systems of delusions for the simple reason that it is too difficult to distinguish such systems from the equally inexorable and equally opaque one under which they actually have to live out their lives. This is pretty well reflected by astrology as well by the two brands of totalitarian states which also claim to have a key for everything, know all the answers, reduce the complex to simple and mechanical inferences, doing away with anything that is strange and unknown and at the same time fail to explain anything. https://www.telospress.com/adorno-on-astrology/ https://www.telospress.com/adorno-on-astrology/ I suppose it is easy to find evidence in today's society as well.
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- mkl 2y agoTangentially, this site, https://www.labrujulaverde.com/en/ https://www.labrujulaverde.com/en/, is fascinating! I spent a couple of hours this morning reading other articles.
- gigatexal 2y agoTime traveling Nazis! ;-)
- MrMcCall 2y ago"Working their way from the ground on down." --Ben Harper Even in death, we're all time travelling ;-)
- sgt 2y agoThose coins seem so round and perfectly created to be ancient ones. Are we sure the photo matches the actual find?
- trhway 2y agoBack in the USSR the German graves weren't respected to say the least. The gravesites were usually unmarked. There was a segment of people whose "hobby" was to raid those graves for the various artifacts - daggers, golden teeth, watches and whatever else given buried German soldier had on him, whether of his own or that he may have collected as his "hobby" during the invasion. A soldier had to carry everything with him, and as we know from the documents of the time the gold and watches were naturally among the most frequent loot items carried by them (sidenote: widespread motorized infantry armor has changed the game since then - the Russian BTRs and BMPs in the Chechen war for example were full of rags and electronics that the Russian soldiers looted from the Chechen homes, and in the Ukrainian war it has been computers/laptops/TVs, auto parts, etc.). The soldier in the article seems to have correctly decided that the ancient coins 1. may be more valuable than gold, 2. there is less competition looting local historic museum, and 3. if you're taken prisoner carrying those ancient artifacts you're less likely to be shot as a marauder than with say a pocket full of golden teeth - even today in this article they call him a "numismatics enthusiast".
- sedan_baklazhan 2y agoWas there any good reason to respect German soldier graves?
- aguaviva 2y agoNobody is required to respect anybody else's grave. But no grave should be intentionally disrespected. Doesn't matter who's in there, or who was in charge of their country way back when.
- self_awareness 2y agoThis German soldier probably has stolen it from somewhere or someone, like soldiers attacking other countries do.
- sonorous_sub 2y agoI keep trying to hide this thread, but it has resisted my efforts thus far, like some time-traveling, anachronistic - oh, wait
- hulitu 2y ago> German WWII Soldier Grave Found with Mesolithic Tools, Roman and Byzantine Coins It is amazing what a bomb does to the surounding landscape. /s