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Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incid

Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incident, to be consistent, I'm inclined to think it was the Americans.

aguaviva 2y ago
Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, Nope. He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. everybody said "it was Russia" Nope -- some people said that. The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet".
- Supermancho 2y ago
  Was probably the ones who didn't want to be on the hook for their end of the contract being violated by not sending resources down the pipeline.
- okasaki 2y ago
  Come on dude. He said "we will bring an end to it", and when the reporter challenged him how he's going to do this given that it's a deal between Germany and Russia, he said "I promise you we will be able to do it." People have been convicted of murder on less evidence.
- geysersam 2y ago
  > He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. When Biden said that he was talking next to the person with the power to legally shut it off, the German chancellor. If he and Biden were in agreement on that point, that Nord Stream would be shut off if Russia invaded Ukraine, why did Biden say that explicitly but not Scholz, even after being asked directly by the journalists present? If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? > The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet". Agreed.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? Typical politician nonsense. None of which means he was intending, or suggesting the idea of actually blowing it up.
tptacek 2y ago
I believe at this point we have a pretty good guess as to who sabotaged the pipeline, and it wasn't the US.
- sharpshadow 2y ago
  Who is we and please enlighten me.
  - theshrike79 2y ago
    The rest of the world who aren't mainlining Russian propaganda.
- csomar 2y ago
  No we do not. Saying it with "confidence" and "authority" doesn't make true either.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...
    - csomar 2y ago
      The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine. There is no detailed evidence of the people involved (and if some certain other agencies are involved in this).
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      - aguaviva 2y ago
        The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine It does not, and you're misreading the one sentence in the article where that word appears.

aguaviva 2y ago

Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, Nope. He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. everybody said "it was Russia" Nope -- some people said that. The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet".

Supermancho 2y ago
Was probably the ones who didn't want to be on the hook for their end of the contract being violated by not sending resources down the pipeline.
okasaki 2y ago
Come on dude. He said "we will bring an end to it", and when the reporter challenged him how he's going to do this given that it's a deal between Germany and Russia, he said "I promise you we will be able to do it." People have been convicted of murder on less evidence.
geysersam 2y ago
> He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. When Biden said that he was talking next to the person with the power to legally shut it off, the German chancellor. If he and Biden were in agreement on that point, that Nord Stream would be shut off if Russia invaded Ukraine, why did Biden say that explicitly but not Scholz, even after being asked directly by the journalists present? If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? > The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet". Agreed.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? Typical politician nonsense. None of which means he was intending, or suggesting the idea of actually blowing it up.

tptacek 2y ago

I believe at this point we have a pretty good guess as to who sabotaged the pipeline, and it wasn't the US.

sharpshadow 2y ago
Who is we and please enlighten me.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  The rest of the world who aren't mainlining Russian propaganda.
csomar 2y ago
No we do not. Saying it with "confidence" and "authority" doesn't make true either.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/nordstream-bombing-ukraine-chervinsky/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...
  - csomar 2y ago
    The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine. There is no detailed evidence of the people involved (and if some certain other agencies are involved in this).
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    - aguaviva 2y ago
      The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine It does not, and you're misreading the one sentence in the article where that word appears.