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Russia warned that they were going to do this last week. I think it's pretty reasonable to conclude that 1) this was sabotage and 2) it was Russia.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Russia warned that they were going to do this last week Source?
- farbklang 2y ago
  first result: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin-1984215 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin...
- stavros 2y ago
  https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin-1984215 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin... I guess they warned in their own way, of "nice cables you've got there, it would be a shame if someone... sabotaged them".
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    They're constantly saying this about everything.
    - baq 2y ago
      every once in a while they actually follow through with some. they need some prison mafia credibility to not look like total clowns.
    - ivandenysov 2y ago
      They also threatened UA with a full scale invasion by doing troop trainings on the border for several years before the real thing.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        The point isn't that they don't do things, it's that there are people issuing a constant stream of threats and people doing things, and it's not entirely clear there is even a correlation between the two.
        jasonfarnon 2y ago
        in other words, we need their false negative rate
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > we need their false negative rate We have it. It's almost 100%. They've been threatening WWIII and nuclear armageddon since 2022.
        lazide 2y ago
        That is not as comforting a comparison as you might think it is. In my experience, the problem is also that one group of people refuses to act on what the other side actually says (because it’s inconvenient/dangerous).
severino 2y ago
Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incident, to be consistent, I'm inclined to think it was the Americans.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, Nope. He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. everybody said "it was Russia" Nope -- some people said that. The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet".
  - Supermancho 2y ago
    Was probably the ones who didn't want to be on the hook for their end of the contract being violated by not sending resources down the pipeline.
  - okasaki 2y ago
    Come on dude. He said "we will bring an end to it", and when the reporter challenged him how he's going to do this given that it's a deal between Germany and Russia, he said "I promise you we will be able to do it." People have been convicted of murder on less evidence.
  - geysersam 2y ago
    > He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. When Biden said that he was talking next to the person with the power to legally shut it off, the German chancellor. If he and Biden were in agreement on that point, that Nord Stream would be shut off if Russia invaded Ukraine, why did Biden say that explicitly but not Scholz, even after being asked directly by the journalists present? If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? > The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet". Agreed.
    - 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Russia warned that they were going to do this last week Source?

farbklang 2y ago
first result: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin-1984215 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin...
stavros 2y ago
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin-1984215 https://www.newsweek.com/russia-pipeline-gas-patrushev-putin... I guess they warned in their own way, of "nice cables you've got there, it would be a shame if someone... sabotaged them".
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  They're constantly saying this about everything.
  - baq 2y ago
    every once in a while they actually follow through with some. they need some prison mafia credibility to not look like total clowns.
  - ivandenysov 2y ago
    They also threatened UA with a full scale invasion by doing troop trainings on the border for several years before the real thing.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      The point isn't that they don't do things, it's that there are people issuing a constant stream of threats and people doing things, and it's not entirely clear there is even a correlation between the two.
      - jasonfarnon 2y ago
        in other words, we need their false negative rate
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > we need their false negative rate We have it. It's almost 100%. They've been threatening WWIII and nuclear armageddon since 2022.
        lazide 2y ago
        That is not as comforting a comparison as you might think it is. In my experience, the problem is also that one group of people refuses to act on what the other side actually says (because it’s inconvenient/dangerous).

severino 2y ago

Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incident, to be consistent, I'm inclined to think it was the Americans.

aguaviva 2y ago
Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, Nope. He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. everybody said "it was Russia" Nope -- some people said that. The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet".
- Supermancho 2y ago
  Was probably the ones who didn't want to be on the hook for their end of the contract being violated by not sending resources down the pipeline.
- okasaki 2y ago
  Come on dude. He said "we will bring an end to it", and when the reporter challenged him how he's going to do this given that it's a deal between Germany and Russia, he said "I promise you we will be able to do it." People have been convicted of murder on less evidence.
- geysersam 2y ago
  > He said it would be "ended", meaning the one thing that it obviously means -- that it would be shut off. When Biden said that he was talking next to the person with the power to legally shut it off, the German chancellor. If he and Biden were in agreement on that point, that Nord Stream would be shut off if Russia invaded Ukraine, why did Biden say that explicitly but not Scholz, even after being asked directly by the journalists present? If they were not in agreement on that point, how could Biden promise that they would put an end to it? > The reasonable, level-headed people said: "We just don't know yet". Agreed.
  - 2y ago