This is one of those arguments that you reach when you go in a certain direction for long enough, and you can divide people into two camps at this point by whet

This is one of those arguments that you reach when you go in a certain direction for long enough, and you can divide people into two camps at this point by whether: * they triumphally declare victory--ethics is solved! We can finally Do The Most Good! * or, it's so ridiculous that it occurs to them that they're missing something--must have taken a wrong turn somewhere earlier on. By my tone you can probably tell I take the latter position, roughly because "suffering", or "moral value", is not rightly seen as measurable, calculatable, or commensurable, even between humans. It's occasionally a useful view for institutions to hold, but imo the one for a human.