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I do think a lot of this comes down to who can create a better development community. And Mastodon seems remarkably single leader. And the community seems expr

I do think a lot of this comes down to who can create a better development community. And Mastodon seems remarkably single leader. And the community seems expressly hostile to letting people make cool experiences that span the network -nthey want a level of insularness & isolation, where the only things happening are defined by their server. And right now there's not much variance across servers; they all do mostly the same things, with only moderation & community differing. It's going to be an enormous challenge to see competing Relays and AppViews spring up for At Protocol. That really is the challenge, seeing if other people can chew the network. One interesting idea I heard floated was that cloud providers might be able to host their own, that see less platforms or what not might hook into. Not perfect, not as distributed as totally desired, but it sure could be cost effective to have them maintain network copies. Where-as you will be burned alive if you try that on Mastadon.

mkremins 2y ago
This is exactly my feeling. I was on both pretty early, and was more excited about Mastodon in the early days – but when I started seeing the pattern of hackers who’d built cool new features being flamed off the platform, it became clear to me that the Mastodon community didn’t actually want to be part of the open internet. Which is fine with me, but not at all the kind of thing I’m on social media for. I’ll take my chances with Bluesky.
tekchip 2y ago
There seems to be some conflating of activitypub and mastodon here. Also perhaps a lack of distinction between mastodon.social and all other mastodon instances? There are hundreds if not thousands of individual mastodon instances each with their own hosts and admins. Then there's all the activitypub based micro blogging platforms that aren't mastodon, pleroma, diaspora, miskey etc. Finally all the wild and wonderful activitypub based not micro blogging sites like pixelfed, peertube, bookwyrm, anfora. So who's this "single leader"?
- wink 2y ago
  My usual take is just like yours, I'm on the fediverse and not necessarily on Mastodon (although one of my accounts is) but I also think that the survival and general wellbeing of the ecosystem is tied to Mastodon-the-software's continued success. It's the only one with critical mass. I know I'm a fringe group and yet I'm not so disconnected that I found anything useful there before 2018 with statusnet and identica.

mkremins 2y ago

This is exactly my feeling. I was on both pretty early, and was more excited about Mastodon in the early days – but when I started seeing the pattern of hackers who’d built cool new features being flamed off the platform, it became clear to me that the Mastodon community didn’t actually want to be part of the open internet. Which is fine with me, but not at all the kind of thing I’m on social media for. I’ll take my chances with Bluesky.

tekchip 2y ago

There seems to be some conflating of activitypub and mastodon here. Also perhaps a lack of distinction between mastodon.social and all other mastodon instances? There are hundreds if not thousands of individual mastodon instances each with their own hosts and admins. Then there's all the activitypub based micro blogging platforms that aren't mastodon, pleroma, diaspora, miskey etc. Finally all the wild and wonderful activitypub based not micro blogging sites like pixelfed, peertube, bookwyrm, anfora. So who's this "single leader"?

wink 2y ago
My usual take is just like yours, I'm on the fediverse and not necessarily on Mastodon (although one of my accounts is) but I also think that the survival and general wellbeing of the ecosystem is tied to Mastodon-the-software's continued success. It's the only one with critical mass. I know I'm a fringe group and yet I'm not so disconnected that I found anything useful there before 2018 with statusnet and identica.