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Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like
by asddubs 2y ago
Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE?
Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons:
Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE
Safari: is coupled to operating system version, lags behind on implementing new features, thus single handedly slowing down when everyone can use new features. Has weird quirks that other browsers don't, just like IE (though not nearly as bad as IE)
So which is like IE? It just depends on what you mean when you say "like IE", the label applies to both because IE was bad for more than one reason
- amadeuspagel 2y agoWhat are these proprietary extensions?
- asddubs 2y agoif you want a really old example, pnacl. If you want a slightly recent one, FLoC. Not saying those are the best examples, they are just what comes to my head first. I don't really keep up super closely.
- amadeuspagel 2y agoNeither of these are proprietary.
- asadotzler 2y agoBoth are.
- SquareWheel 2y agopnacl was an example of Google throwing away their homebrewed solution in favour of a common standard (Web Assembly). That seems like a strong argument that they don't push proprietary extensions.
- asddubs 2y agoit was an example of them pushing proprietary extensions and eventually removing them again. If I start beating you and then eventually someone calms down and I stop, it's not an example of me not beating you
- dwaite 2y agoIf I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?
- do_not_redeem 2y agoSafari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.
- grapesodaaaaa 2y agoSome of those unimplemented “standards” are to protect user privacy. I know this is not universally the case, but it’s worth calling out.
- threeseed 2y agoYou can fingerprint a browser to > 99.9% accuracy because of Google's lax approach to privacy and security when adding new features. Of course this benefits the advertising side of the business immensely.
- marxisttemp 2y agoDid “everyone” agree on and implement them, or did Google implement them and force everyone else in the WHATWG to play catch-up since they’re dominant?
- do_not_redeem 2y agoMaybe there are specific examples of that? But I can't think of any, and it certainly doesn't strike me as common. Random example: https://caniuse.com/input-inputmode https://caniuse.com/input-inputmode Firefox: 2013 Chrome: 2017 Safari: Any decade now, I'm sure of it
- fingerlocks 2y ago
- robertoandred 2y agoSafari updates are released for the two macOS releases before the current.
- Semaphor 2y agoOne thing missing: Safari is like a worse IE, because not only does it not run on any other OS, like IE, but it doesn’t even run on most hardware.
- handsclean 2y agoI’d love to see these comments about Safari lagging give specific examples. Every time I’ve seen specifics, it’s either only interesting to progressive web apps, or blatantly user hostile tracking/nagging “features”. In my personal experience as a web dev, Safari is often the first to implement new features, and otherwise lags literally just a few months behind, according to their release cycle. WEBP was the exception that was both a real feature and very delayed, but now with JPEG XL it’s Safari first by a mile and Chrome holding everyone back.