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We (in IT security) are expected to abrogate responsibility to funky AI or whatevs anti virus and other stuff. Buy and install a security package from ... whoe

We (in IT security) are expected to abrogate responsibility to funky AI or whatevs anti virus and other stuff. Buy and install a security package from ... whoever ... and all will be well. This is an expert system/advice run by real people (at a reasonably well respected firm) not an AI wankery thingie. It is literally expert advice and it is being given away and in code form which you can read. What on earth is wrong with that?

cortesoft 2y ago
If the alternative is those proprietary anti virus products, sure this is better. The original comment was comparing to doing nothing and just using the standard distro, I believe.
- gerdesj 2y ago
  I do hope I haven't offended anyone but I also hope I will leave no one in any doubt that IT security is important. The world is now very highly interconnected. When I was a child, I would have rubbish conversations over the blower to an aunt in Australia - that latency was well over one second - satellite links. Nowadays we have direct fibre connections. So, does you does ?
tw04 2y ago
Well two points: Oracle isn’t really and hasn’t really been respected in several decades. Oracle exists for one sole purpose, which is to make Larry money. Anything they “give away for free” almost always includes a non-obvious catch which you only discover during some future audit. In this case it appears to be gpl and thus most likely harmless. But I’d expect either the license to change once people are hooked, or some glaring lack of functionality that’s not immediately obvious, that can only be remediated by purchasing a license of some sort.
- efitz 2y ago
  Anything that Oracle gives away for free today should be assumed will be converted to be monetized as soon as there is sufficient uptake in usage. Anything that Oracle makes available for community contributions should be assumed will be dramatically restricted via license when Oracle figures out how to monetize it.
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    FOSS can always be forked and progressed from there; see MariaDB. I think most times when a project from a big company goes closed, the features added afterwards usually only benefit other big companies anyways. Right now I prefer to be happy they ever bothered at all (to make open source things), rather than prematurely discount it entirely. Maybe you weren't implying that it should be discounted entirely, but I bet a lot of people were thinking that.
lupusreal 2y ago
Being able to dodge responsibility for something going wrong is great, but it's always better for you if you aren't in a position where you have to dodge responsibility in the first place. So if this tool makes a well reasoned and ostensibly sensible tweak which happens to expose some flaw in your system and takes it down, being able to say "those experts Oracle made the mistake, not me" might get you out of the hot seat. But it's better to never be in the hot seat.

cortesoft 2y ago

If the alternative is those proprietary anti virus products, sure this is better. The original comment was comparing to doing nothing and just using the standard distro, I believe.

gerdesj 2y ago
I do hope I haven't offended anyone but I also hope I will leave no one in any doubt that IT security is important. The world is now very highly interconnected. When I was a child, I would have rubbish conversations over the blower to an aunt in Australia - that latency was well over one second - satellite links. Nowadays we have direct fibre connections. So, does you does ?

tw04 2y ago

Well two points: Oracle isn’t really and hasn’t really been respected in several decades. Oracle exists for one sole purpose, which is to make Larry money. Anything they “give away for free” almost always includes a non-obvious catch which you only discover during some future audit. In this case it appears to be gpl and thus most likely harmless. But I’d expect either the license to change once people are hooked, or some glaring lack of functionality that’s not immediately obvious, that can only be remediated by purchasing a license of some sort.

efitz 2y ago
Anything that Oracle gives away for free today should be assumed will be converted to be monetized as soon as there is sufficient uptake in usage. Anything that Oracle makes available for community contributions should be assumed will be dramatically restricted via license when Oracle figures out how to monetize it.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  FOSS can always be forked and progressed from there; see MariaDB. I think most times when a project from a big company goes closed, the features added afterwards usually only benefit other big companies anyways. Right now I prefer to be happy they ever bothered at all (to make open source things), rather than prematurely discount it entirely. Maybe you weren't implying that it should be discounted entirely, but I bet a lot of people were thinking that.

lupusreal 2y ago

Being able to dodge responsibility for something going wrong is great, but it's always better for you if you aren't in a position where you have to dodge responsibility in the first place. So if this tool makes a well reasoned and ostensibly sensible tweak which happens to expose some flaw in your system and takes it down, being able to say "those experts Oracle made the mistake, not me" might get you out of the hot seat. But it's better to never be in the hot seat.