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> To cut emissions, we need to kill materialism, consumption economy That’s a moral statement not a factual one. To cut emissions, we need to do exactly that.
by RandomThoughts3 2y ago
> To cut emissions, we need to kill materialism, consumption economy
That’s a moral statement not a factual one. To cut emissions, we need to do exactly that. Pricing in externalities (yes it means less beef but that’s not the same thing as an end to the world as we know it) and investing in cleaner means of production is enough. Most of the people pushing for large societal changes are doing it because it was their goal from the start and they are using climate change as a mean to an end.
- spencerchubb 2y agoPricing in externalities is probably the only way we can solve carbon emissions, and would still be very difficult. We would need global participation, otherwise carbon emissions can just be outsourced to other countries. Also, we need to decide the price of emitting carbon. Perhaps survey economists from every country and aggregate the answers somehow.
- RandomThoughts3 2y ago> We would need global participation, otherwise carbon emissions can just be outsourced to other countries You can simply add a tax at entry to match your own carbon tax until evening rules are added into trade deals. The fact that such a tax is not in place in neither the USA nor the EU is proof enough to me that neither is serious about stopping global warming.
- spencerchubb 2y agoHow would you determine how much carbon was used throughout the entire supply chain of an imported product? If the product is produced domestically, the government can enforce every business to measure its carbon emissions, but cannot do the same for imported products
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoLucky the Earth is infinite and so perpetual growth will work. /s
- RandomThoughts3 2y agoGrowth doesn’t have to depend on finite resources. Growth is simply more value being exchanged. You can have sustainable growth. Plus the human population will soon be drastically contracting anyway. Abandoning the only system since the birth of humanity to bring prosperity to billions in favour of one which has repeatedly be an utter failure, systematically lead to totalitarianism and is responsible for millions of death might not be the wisest choice especially when it’s pushed by people who think they should be amongst the rulers due to their moral superiority.
- eecc 2y agoWe can grow indefinitely if we entertain ourselves with more advanced and efficient technologies. I run my apartment on LEDs I haven’t changed in 4 years and I max out at 100W. When I was a child, that was the power of one fairly bright living room reading light