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I disagree - IMO the idea of having superdelegates is terrible. Any way of picking your party's candidate that deviates from how the candidate is selected in th

I disagree - IMO the idea of having superdelegates is terrible. Any way of picking your party's candidate that deviates from how the candidate is selected in the general is setting yourself up for failure. IMO this is part of why the party has lost steam and alignment with their base. That does fall on the DNC, I think

johnnyanmac 2y ago
This isn't an opinion up for debate unless you study foreign policy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters-plague-incumbents-labour-trump-election-win https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters... we can talk about super delegates if we want, but this is a worlwide phenomenon and goes past advertising and faux represenation. People are frustrated and want change. Any change. They are afraid and fearful people don't make rational choices.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the government instead focuses on the people upset about the murders, calling them “terrorists”. If I fail at my job I am fired, that is a logical outcome. Why do you feel that politicians should be treated differently?
  - astrange 2y ago
    > Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be true is that voters are upset because they remember inflation from 2021-22 and are still reacting to it. Or that they don't like high interest rates. And housing prices are bad in blue states and that is the local governments' fault. But one thing we see from US voters is that R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. So I think you should consider those people are lying.
    - CptFribble 2y ago
      > R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. adding on to this, typically it takes 1-3 years for the effects of an administration to really bear fruit in the economy, either good or ill. So a common tactic from the R side the last several presidential cycles is to claim ownership of the economy handed to them by the outgoing D president, then when their policies cause some kind of problem, blame the incoming D president 4 years later. See also: who the R's blame the deficit on vs. which party's presidents actually increased the deficit the most over the last 20-25 years.
      - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
        If it takes 2-3 years, then that means that the economic growth we experienced in ~2021 is Trump’s 2017/19 policies, and the economic downturn we’re receiving in 2024 is due to Biden’s 2021/23 policies. Also, Dems do literally the exact same things.
        47282847 2y ago
        I highly doubt any but the most crude policy changes would demonstrate within 5 years how they were to play out in the longer term. The idea of that seems almost as insane as US politics.
    - Supermancho 2y ago
      > No, it's about the same as 2019: I dont think this graph demonstrates what you think it does. Household income is up, but individual income is down, by the same source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N This would imply that income is down (especially factoring ever present inflation), but households have grown. > Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: The Unexpected Compression study is about a specific subset of wages (low), not income. These are different things, even in broad definitions. Inflation is not solved. It continues to be leveraged and has a lasting effect. > So I think you should consider those people are lying. I believe that they are ignorant first.
  - hilios 2y ago
    >In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. The government collapsed because the party pushed by the country's most influential media company (Axel-Springer) with the expressed goal of collapsing the coalition did just that.
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      I’m sorry, what? Which party do you mean? The only parties involved with the collapse of the coalition was the coalition itself, SDP, FDP, and Greens. It was all internal disputes that led to the collapse.
  - alextingle 2y ago
    The UK riots were nothing to do with the murders that supposedly "triggered" them. That was all about hateful people seeking any excuse to punch down. The fact that you try to defend those rioters by perpetuating their transparent lies says everything I need to know about you.
    - benmmurphy 2y ago
      I don't think its so black and white. There was definitely incorrect information being spread around about the perpetrators migration status. However, he was a second generation migrant and I suspect some anti-immigration arguments try to make the claim that subsequent generations are also an issue. To these people making the argument that he was second generation so the claims that he was first generation is misinformation would be considered splitting hairs. However, this should not be an excuse for spreading incorrect information and we should always endeavour to accurately communicate the state of the world with other people. This leads us to some of the other misinformation claims. I've seen it claimed it was misinformation that he was a Muslim. Whether he was a Muslim or not now seems less clear because the police have subsequently revealed he was in possession of a military study of an Al-Qaeda training manual and was also in possession of ricin. Of course it is possible to have such a manual for purely academic purposes or because he wanted to carry out a terrorist style attack but he had no allegiance to Islamic terrorism. But it does lend a small amount of evidence towards him being associated with Islamic terrorism. Also, it's important to note that the people making the claim about him being a Muslim could not have known about this at the time. The strong claims that they made about his religion were certainly not supported by the evidence that they possessed. Of course they may claim they have an oracle they use which involves the behaviour of the police when describing the alleged perpetrator and that allows them to make strong inferences about the background of alleged perpetrator. But I suspect such an oracle will always be weak probabilistically and even you believe it was strong you still have a responsibility to explain that you are using such an oracle when making such claims so other people can properly weigh the evidence themselves. This information about the training manual and the ricin was also suppressed by the police until October when it was likely to be known in early August. I also consider this a form of misinformation or lying because the police must have known how this information may slightly change how people would evaluate the situation if they were in possession of it but chose not to release it. However, the police may have strong operational reasons for not releasing such information which may have surpassed the value of acting in a truthful manner. Hopefully, there is an investigation into why such information was suppressed because it may have effected the criminal trials of some of the people involved in the riots.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

This isn't an opinion up for debate unless you study foreign policy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters-plague-incumbents-labour-trump-election-win https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters... we can talk about super delegates if we want, but this is a worlwide phenomenon and goes past advertising and faux represenation. People are frustrated and want change. Any change. They are afraid and fearful people don't make rational choices.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago
The reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the government instead focuses on the people upset about the murders, calling them “terrorists”. If I fail at my job I am fired, that is a logical outcome. Why do you feel that politicians should be treated differently?
- astrange 2y ago
  > Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be true is that voters are upset because they remember inflation from 2021-22 and are still reacting to it. Or that they don't like high interest rates. And housing prices are bad in blue states and that is the local governments' fault. But one thing we see from US voters is that R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. So I think you should consider those people are lying.
  - CptFribble 2y ago
    > R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. adding on to this, typically it takes 1-3 years for the effects of an administration to really bear fruit in the economy, either good or ill. So a common tactic from the R side the last several presidential cycles is to claim ownership of the economy handed to them by the outgoing D president, then when their policies cause some kind of problem, blame the incoming D president 4 years later. See also: who the R's blame the deficit on vs. which party's presidents actually increased the deficit the most over the last 20-25 years.
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      If it takes 2-3 years, then that means that the economic growth we experienced in ~2021 is Trump’s 2017/19 policies, and the economic downturn we’re receiving in 2024 is due to Biden’s 2021/23 policies. Also, Dems do literally the exact same things.
      - 47282847 2y ago
        I highly doubt any but the most crude policy changes would demonstrate within 5 years how they were to play out in the longer term. The idea of that seems almost as insane as US politics.
  - Supermancho 2y ago
    > No, it's about the same as 2019: I dont think this graph demonstrates what you think it does. Household income is up, but individual income is down, by the same source: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N This would imply that income is down (especially factoring ever present inflation), but households have grown. > Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: The Unexpected Compression study is about a specific subset of wages (low), not income. These are different things, even in broad definitions. Inflation is not solved. It continues to be leveraged and has a lasting effect. > So I think you should consider those people are lying. I believe that they are ignorant first.
- hilios 2y ago
  >In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. The government collapsed because the party pushed by the country's most influential media company (Axel-Springer) with the expressed goal of collapsing the coalition did just that.
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    I’m sorry, what? Which party do you mean? The only parties involved with the collapse of the coalition was the coalition itself, SDP, FDP, and Greens. It was all internal disputes that led to the collapse.
- alextingle 2y ago
  The UK riots were nothing to do with the murders that supposedly "triggered" them. That was all about hateful people seeking any excuse to punch down. The fact that you try to defend those rioters by perpetuating their transparent lies says everything I need to know about you.
  - benmmurphy 2y ago
    I don't think its so black and white. There was definitely incorrect information being spread around about the perpetrators migration status. However, he was a second generation migrant and I suspect some anti-immigration arguments try to make the claim that subsequent generations are also an issue. To these people making the argument that he was second generation so the claims that he was first generation is misinformation would be considered splitting hairs. However, this should not be an excuse for spreading incorrect information and we should always endeavour to accurately communicate the state of the world with other people. This leads us to some of the other misinformation claims. I've seen it claimed it was misinformation that he was a Muslim. Whether he was a Muslim or not now seems less clear because the police have subsequently revealed he was in possession of a military study of an Al-Qaeda training manual and was also in possession of ricin. Of course it is possible to have such a manual for purely academic purposes or because he wanted to carry out a terrorist style attack but he had no allegiance to Islamic terrorism. But it does lend a small amount of evidence towards him being associated with Islamic terrorism. Also, it's important to note that the people making the claim about him being a Muslim could not have known about this at the time. The strong claims that they made about his religion were certainly not supported by the evidence that they possessed. Of course they may claim they have an oracle they use which involves the behaviour of the police when describing the alleged perpetrator and that allows them to make strong inferences about the background of alleged perpetrator. But I suspect such an oracle will always be weak probabilistically and even you believe it was strong you still have a responsibility to explain that you are using such an oracle when making such claims so other people can properly weigh the evidence themselves. This information about the training manual and the ricin was also suppressed by the police until October when it was likely to be known in early August. I also consider this a form of misinformation or lying because the police must have known how this information may slightly change how people would evaluate the situation if they were in possession of it but chose not to release it. However, the police may have strong operational reasons for not releasing such information which may have surpassed the value of acting in a truthful manner. Hopefully, there is an investigation into why such information was suppressed because it may have effected the criminal trials of some of the people involved in the riots.