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He carried all 7 swing states, 5 of them with what looks like it will be a 2% margin or more (and those five would be enough for a victory even without the othe
by lolinder 2y ago
He carried all 7 swing states, 5 of them with what looks like it will be a 2% margin or more (and those five would be enough for a victory even without the other two). We lost both houses of Congress. It was a closer election than, say, 2008, but this was a resounding defeat. Saying otherwise is just sticking your head in the sand.
The DNC needs to do some serious introspection.
- astrange 2y agoThe DNC barely exists and doesn't do anything. (Same for the RNC.) In a presidential year it's basically all geography and coattails from the presidential campaign. This one followed the post-inflation trend from every other country, if you need a single explanation for it.
- floobertoober 2y agoI disagree - IMO the idea of having superdelegates is terrible. Any way of picking your party's candidate that deviates from how the candidate is selected in the general is setting yourself up for failure. IMO this is part of why the party has lost steam and alignment with their base. That does fall on the DNC, I think
- johnnyanmac 2y agoThis isn't an opinion up for debate unless you study foreign policy: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters-plague-incumbents-labour-trump-election-win https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/12/voters... we can talk about super delegates if we want, but this is a worlwide phenomenon and goes past advertising and faux represenation. People are frustrated and want change. Any change. They are afraid and fearful people don't make rational choices.
- tourmalinetaco 2y agoThe reason people want change is not because they are “irrational” or “fearful”, it is because the people in power have demonstrated their inability to lead in every capacity. In Germany the government has literally collapsed due to the former coalition’s ineptitude. Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. In England innocents are being murdered and the government instead focuses on the people upset about the murders, calling them “terrorists”. If I fail at my job I am fired, that is a logical outcome. Why do you feel that politicians should be treated differently?
- astrange 2y ago> Prices in America have skyrocketed in the past 4 years, and pay hasn’t even started to catch up. No, it's about the same as 2019: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N Inflation is over and done with. We even fixed income inequality; it's sharply reduced since 2019: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 https://www.nber.org/papers/w31010 In fact, every single economic indicator is currently better than 2019. One thing you can say that may be true is that voters are upset because they remember inflation from 2021-22 and are still reacting to it. Or that they don't like high interest rates. And housing prices are bad in blue states and that is the local governments' fault. But one thing we see from US voters is that R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. So I think you should consider those people are lying.
- CptFribble 2y ago> R voters claim the economy is bad under a D president and immediately switch to claiming it's good under an R president. adding on to this, typically it takes 1-3 years for the effects of an administration to really bear fruit in the economy, either good or ill. So a common tactic from the R side the last several presidential cycles is to claim ownership of the economy handed to them by the outgoing D president, then when their policies cause some kind of problem, blame the incoming D president 4 years later. See also: who the R's blame the deficit on vs. which party's presidents actually increased the deficit the most over the last 20-25 years.
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- johnnyanmac 2y agoYeah, the introspection is "get people to vote". Apathy has always been the biggest detractor from progress. The distractions of "listen to what (white) men are saying" and "fix the economy" are just distractions from the real reasons D turnout lowered.
- kelnos 2y agoWe live in a weird world where a 2% margin in a handful of states counts as a "resounding defeat". Losing the Senate was expected. The House was perhaps less of a toss up than the presidential election itself, but this outcome isn't really a surprise.
- wannacboatmovie 2y agoShe also lost the popular vote by nearly 3M - more than the entire population of 19 different European countries - and he carried more states than his opponent 4 years ago, and more than Bush did in both 2000 & 2004. It is by all conventional and accepted definitions a resounding defeat.