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The title is incorrect. > “Using VPNs to access blocked or illegal content is against Islamic and social norms, therefore, their use is not acceptable under Is

The title is incorrect. > “Using VPNs to access blocked or illegal content is against Islamic and social norms, therefore, their use is not acceptable under Islamic law. It falls under ‘abetting in sin,’ ” said the statement, quoting the council’s chairman, Raghib Naeemi. > The statement declared that any technology, including the internet, used to access “immoral or illegal activities is prohibited according to Islamic principles.”

ponty_rick 2y ago
That title really needs updating in that case, it's very misleading.
whynotmaybe 2y ago
So in extension, it applies to any computer? Are there provisions for the people working on the systems that filters the traffic or those that validate that an address must be blocked?
- spwa4 2y ago
  You're expecting religious law to be consistent? You can use a spoon to kill, you can use a door to kill, yet I bet the members of this religious council got out of the building through a door.
  - whynotmaybe 2y ago
    Not really but I'm always curious of the ingenuity when it comes around such laws. Just like the Catholic Church declared beavers are fish so they could be consumed during Lent in Canada in the 18th century because other food was hard to come by in winter there.
    - spwa4 2y ago
      Well at least that was somewhat constructive and helpful to normal people. This council is just trying to use religion to further cement the power of the government.
- gruez 2y ago
  >So in extension, it applies to any computer? Yes, but it's not because computers/VPNs are involved, it's because it's used to do another illegal act (ie. accessing blocked or illegal content). It's not any different than anti-circumvention provisions in US law.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
So: breaking the law is against the law?
smusamashah 2y ago
The title is kind if correct though. This title is actually what is being implied in the country by this fatwa. And this statement is actually brought by tye current government (military?) who absolutely hates the disrespect/memes its facing on Internet by overseas Pakistanis. They are almost openly abducting people running Facebook pages which are mostly memes against the government. One could say government is trying to curb all propaganda against itself using absolutely any means since khans ouster. Twitter is banned in the country yet our PM posted congrats for Trump on Twitter.
- tolerance 2y ago
  Do these fatwa-issuing bodies just represent the bureaucratization of Islamic law for the benefit of the state?
  - smusamashah 2y ago
    Religious groups are very diverse. It's not a single body. There are many individual people and groups some with huge following and some don't. Some of them can represent bureaucracy but some don't. Bureaucracy can make almost anyone do anything. And it's not the first time. Another very popular/respected religious figure have said that it's silly for example.

ponty_rick 2y ago

That title really needs updating in that case, it's very misleading.

whynotmaybe 2y ago

So in extension, it applies to any computer? Are there provisions for the people working on the systems that filters the traffic or those that validate that an address must be blocked?

spwa4 2y ago
You're expecting religious law to be consistent? You can use a spoon to kill, you can use a door to kill, yet I bet the members of this religious council got out of the building through a door.
- whynotmaybe 2y ago
  Not really but I'm always curious of the ingenuity when it comes around such laws. Just like the Catholic Church declared beavers are fish so they could be consumed during Lent in Canada in the 18th century because other food was hard to come by in winter there.
  - spwa4 2y ago
    Well at least that was somewhat constructive and helpful to normal people. This council is just trying to use religion to further cement the power of the government.
gruez 2y ago
>So in extension, it applies to any computer? Yes, but it's not because computers/VPNs are involved, it's because it's used to do another illegal act (ie. accessing blocked or illegal content). It's not any different than anti-circumvention provisions in US law.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

So: breaking the law is against the law?

smusamashah 2y ago

The title is kind if correct though. This title is actually what is being implied in the country by this fatwa. And this statement is actually brought by tye current government (military?) who absolutely hates the disrespect/memes its facing on Internet by overseas Pakistanis. They are almost openly abducting people running Facebook pages which are mostly memes against the government. One could say government is trying to curb all propaganda against itself using absolutely any means since khans ouster. Twitter is banned in the country yet our PM posted congrats for Trump on Twitter.

tolerance 2y ago
Do these fatwa-issuing bodies just represent the bureaucratization of Islamic law for the benefit of the state?
- smusamashah 2y ago
  Religious groups are very diverse. It's not a single body. There are many individual people and groups some with huge following and some don't. Some of them can represent bureaucracy but some don't. Bureaucracy can make almost anyone do anything. And it's not the first time. Another very popular/respected religious figure have said that it's silly for example.