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Norwegian fishermen hunting for halibut caught a US nuclear sub
- bell-cot 2y agoBut it was not this nuclear sub - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Halibut_(SSGN-587) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Halibut_(SSGN-587) - which would have been a far more interesting tail.
- chankstein38 2y agoMan this makes me wish it had been this sub haha
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- arethuza 2y agoThis kind of event be pretty nasty - 4 fishermen were killed by a Royal Navy submarine in 1990: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Antares https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Antares
- gadders 2y agoRussian subs get caught as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32333336 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32333336 I seem to remember this happening quite often (yearly, maybe?) during the Cold War in the North Sea and around Norway.
- mmooss 2y agoA US submarine surfaced under a tourist boat near Hawaii; many died iirc. I think it was around the 2000s.
- olejorgenb 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville... > In a demonstration for some VIP civilian visitors, Greeneville performed an emergency ballast blow surfacing maneuver. As the submarine shot to the surface, she struck Ehime Maru. Within ten minutes of the collision, Ehime Maru sank. Nine of the thirty-five people aboard were killed: four high school students, two teachers, and three crew members.
- polishdude20 2y agoDo subs not have a sensor at the top that's able to detect things like ships right above them?
- Rinzler89 2y agoYes it's called a sonar. And would they even need to fire the sonar for that? Even using passive sonar they should be able to hear there's a boat above them considering how sensitive their sonars are. But operational mistakes can happen no matter how many sensors you have.
- mmooss 2y agoAlso there's the periscope. And radio to warn nearby vessels.
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- krisoft 2y agoIf you are thinking about the USS Greeneville colliding with the Ehime Maru 10 miles (16 km) off the coast of Oahu, then that ship was a training ship not a tourist boat.
- sellmesoap 2y agoI remember hearing about this submarine collision back in the 90’s here in b.c. https://www.bst.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/1994/m94w0078/m94w0078.html https://www.bst.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/marine/1994/m94w0... no fatalities thankfully, the scuttlebutt was that the insurance wouldn't cover a military accident.
- pmezard 2y agoAnd possibly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugaled_Breizh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugaled_Breizh as well.
- jillyboel 2y agoKill four innocent civilians and all that happened was one of the killers was "severely reprimanded"
- crmd 2y agoI’m surprised Virginia didn’t hear the ship’s motor from miles away and kept its distance. I wonder if there will be any disciplinary actions.
- SiempreViernes 2y agoThey for sure heard the motor, a lot harder to hear the net though. As for keeping their distance... well, they are a nuclear submarine, why should they be polite?
- potato3732842 2y ago>well, they are a nuclear submarine, why should they be polite? Because you'll fight like you train. Accidentally snagging a trawler in unfriendly waters after having just tapped a seabed cable would be a problem. That said, there's a fine line between maintaining good standard procedure and getting absurd with it. Dodging a trawler in the middle of nowhere, fine. Dodging a trawler in a crowded channel, probably not worth it.
- gregoriol 2y agoThey maybe would not like to kill civilians, nor would they like to be detected so easily.
- crmd 2y agoAs a civilian I’m in no position to critique the CO’s decision making. However it doesn’t seem unreasonable to assume a SONAR contact classified as a fishing boat may have a net deployed posing a hazard within a certain radius. I assume Aaron Aamick (Sub Brief) and H.I. Sutton will make a video about this incident in the coming days, and we’ll get a credible answer to whether there’s any fault here on the part of the sub crew.
- mmooss 2y ago> As a civilian I’m in no position to critique the CO’s decision making. To nitpick, you absolutely are. The military reports to the civilians; that is who they are accountable to. That said, I don't know anything about submarines. But it has nothing to do with being a civilian or military. It's the trick of management, oversight, responsibility - we need to oversee and make responsible decisions for things where we lack expertise. I need to hire a plumber even if I know nothing about plumbing. Other people need to hire IT professionals, and IME some of them know nothing about IT!
- rchowe 2y agoI heard a story of a fishing boat in the eastern US that was "fighting a fish" for miles but could never get any traction. When another fisherman looked at their chart, he noted that they were dragged miles in a straight line towards Europe, and said "You caught a sub". The submariners don't care, they probably find it funny.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoStrong fishing line.
- blueflow 2y agoIf a submarine drags you, you will have a noticeable wake. No need to look at the charts. Edit: or be instantly capsized and dragged below water, jfc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Antares#Inquiries_and_recommendations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Antares#Inquiries_and_recom...
- philip1209 2y agoFascinating - I wonder what the procedure is for a jammed propeller on a sub. I’m used to airplanes, which have redundancies for everything, but a sub propeller is really a single point of failure. Potentially seaweed or rope could become entangled, right? Would the sub typically have to surface to manually clear the propeller? Or, does it have enough torque to just (noisily) obliterate most entanglements?
- mmooss 2y agoIf fishing nets / lines can stop a sub, it would save money on mines.
- kqr 2y agoUnderwater nets were a common defense against submarines during the second world war, protecting harbours and the like. I have no reason to think the case is otherwise now.
- mmooss 2y ago'Net' is a generic term. I have a 'computer', NOAA has a 'computer', but they aren't the same thing. I would be surprised if a fishing net was sufficient to stop a military sub. Also, subs now are a lot more capable than they were then.
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- UltraSane 2y agoModern nuclear subs turn the prop with hundreds of thousands of horsepower. That is very hard to stop.
- simne 2y agoThey are in actively using, where convenient to block large water area. As even in war ports, usually active traffic. Second reason why now limited usage, WWII submarines was very limited power, many experts consider them as just high-speed boats with extremely limited underwater capabilities, but modern submarines are really powerful, especially nuclear.
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- kstrauser 2y ago"Guess we have a sub now! It's the law of the sea."
- thmsths 2y agoFunny story, but unfortunately the article is light on details.
- stetrain 2y agoYeah, I had to follow the link to another referenced article and read an image caption to find out that this seems to have just happened on November 11, I assume this year. Usually a date and year are useful details to include in a story.
- shadowgovt 2y agoBetter throw it back then; they aren't in season right now.
- ilamont 2y agoFishermen sometimes happen upon submarine accidents. This one dates from 2003: On April 25, 2003 the crew of a Chinese fishing boat noticed a strange sight—a periscope drifting listlessly above the surface of the water. The fishermen notified the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) which promptly dispatched two vessels to investigate. https://www.chieftain.com/story/news/2018/06/07/in-2003-chinese-navy-submarine/9302322007/ https://www.chieftain.com/story/news/2018/06/07/in-2003-chin... Every one of the submariners died. There was another reported Chinese sub accident in 2023, but it's not clear how it was discovered (https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-submarine-deaths-10092023041959.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/china-submarine-death...).
- ok_dad 2y agoDuring world war two, German U-boats used to have issues with chlorine gas being produced from the batteries and it would flood the boat and kill everyone onboard.
- ilamont 2y agoMy grandfather was in a US Navy salvage group in WWII. At the time, to verify an enemy vessel (especially subs) had been sunk, they would send down divers in the old fashioned "heavy gear" suits to identify the vessels. They would also bring up proof, usually something that could be tied to the vessel, which could be a piece of military-grade equipment or even silverware engraved with the names of the ship or the enemy seal. This is what the suits looked like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_diving_dress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_diving_dress
- iancmceachern 2y agoSuper cool My grandfather was a submariner in the Pacific during the war, they were even inside Tokyo bay during wartime. He had many stories, one of them was that the batteries always got the priority in regards to water. Especially on patrol and missions, they would often go days between wiping themselves down with hand towels from a basin of shared water, all to preserve the fresh water for the batteries. He was on the Saury
- kreyenborgi 2y agohttps://www.nrk.no/tromsogfinnmark/harald-fra-sommaroya-fikk-atomubat-i-kveitegarnene-1.17123634 https://www.nrk.no/tromsogfinnmark/harald-fra-sommaroya-fikk... original article here. > "No use getting riled up about it" says young fisherman after sub ruined fishing gear worth 50.000 NOK (4.500 USD)
- chriscjcj 2y agoNeither the Vice article nor the The Barents Observer article it links to seem to report exactly when the incident occurred. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Ws
- lb1lf 2y agoThe NRK story says it happened Monday, November 11th. I am surprised the other sources left it out; 5Ws an'all.
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- rollulus 2y ago> The fishermen were unaware of it until they were contacted by the US Coast Guard. Can someone explain this to me? Does the US Coast Guard have a (radio) base in Norway? Do they phone them?
- ljosa 2y agoThe US Coast Guard cutter Healy (their largest ship and largest icebreaker) was in the area around that time. (Source: https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/usas-largest-icebreaker-northern-norway-october https://www.highnorthnews.com/en/usas-largest-icebreaker-nor...) It would make sense for them to help out.