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Tesla are all making rapid progress on functionality which is definitely beyond frontier LLMs because it is distinctly different Sure, that's tautologically tr

Tesla are all making rapid progress on functionality which is definitely beyond frontier LLMs because it is distinctly different Sure, that's tautologically true but that doesn't imply that beyondness will lead to significant leaps that offer notable utility like LLMs. Deep Learning overall has been a way around the problem that intelligent behavior is very hard to code and no wants to hire many, many coders needed to do this (and no one actually how to get a mass of programmers to actually be useful beyond a certain of project complexity, to boot). People take the "bitter lesson" to mean data can do anything but I'd say a second bitter lesson is that data-things are the low hanging fruit. Moreover, robot behavior is especially to fake. Impressive robot demos have been happening for decades without said robots getting the ability to act effectively in the complex, ad-hoc environment that human live in, IE, work with people or even cheaply emulate human behavior (but they can do choreographed/puppeteered kung fu on stage).

hobs 2y ago
And worth noting that Tesla faked a ton of its robot footage already, they might be making progress but their physical human robotics does not seem advanced at the moment.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Indeed. Even assuming the recent robot demo was entirely AI, the only single thing they demonstrated that would have been noteworthy was isolating one voice in a noisy crowd well enough to respond; everything else I saw Optimus do, has already been demonstrated by others. What makes the uncertainty extra sad, is that a remote controllable humanoid robot is already directly useful for work in hazardous environments, and we know they've got at least that… but Musk would rather it be about the AI.
hereme888 2y ago
Are we humans so different? Why do you wear what you wear? People emulate their older siblings, and so learn behavior. LLMs can create new programs, after having initially learned similar examples from others. Likewise for AI media.

hobs 2y ago

And worth noting that Tesla faked a ton of its robot footage already, they might be making progress but their physical human robotics does not seem advanced at the moment.

ben_w 2y ago
Indeed. Even assuming the recent robot demo was entirely AI, the only single thing they demonstrated that would have been noteworthy was isolating one voice in a noisy crowd well enough to respond; everything else I saw Optimus do, has already been demonstrated by others. What makes the uncertainty extra sad, is that a remote controllable humanoid robot is already directly useful for work in hazardous environments, and we know they've got at least that… but Musk would rather it be about the AI.

hereme888 2y ago

Are we humans so different? Why do you wear what you wear? People emulate their older siblings, and so learn behavior. LLMs can create new programs, after having initially learned similar examples from others. Likewise for AI media.