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This will than probably change with the new American government and its anti-immigration stance. Less h1b, less ghost jobs.

gostsamo 2y ago
Not likely. The new government is not interested in harming the interests of the big employers.
paxys 2y ago
Just like how the last Trump government fixed it?
- coding123 2y ago
  House and Senate this time baby!
  - Glide 2y ago
    Just like last time!
  - Loudergood 2y ago
    Same as last time.
mithametacs 2y ago
One can hope for a silver lining.
zjdixhxjzkz 2y ago
Trumps has talked multiple times about “stapling green cards to diplomas”. His rhetoric on illegal immigration is going to result in illegals who have committed a felony being deported and that’s it (just like every other neocon). Making America better for Americans won’t happen until both sides realize neither party is looking out for the interests of American people and uses social issues etc to keep us divided.
- yonaguska 2y ago
  And here's the source https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1803926021542154323 https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1803926021542154323
- JAlexoid 2y ago
  As someone who went though the legal means when he was in the office last time, he will primarily hurt the legal immigration... because that is the easiest thing for them to do - grind USCIS to a halt.
Applejinx 2y ago
I actually couldn't begin to guess. The only thing I have to go on is, I think the administration is angling to do a sort of bust-out rather than enrich anybody, even those 'on their side'. If that's so, then much like with the FDA, there'll be some funny choices that lead to alarming outcomes. I just don't know whether that would mean more h1b and ghost jobs, or less.
Mountain_Skies 2y ago
Unlikely. "Staple a Green Card to their diploma" is what Trump had to say about students from other countries that graduate from US universities. Since out of country students pay the highest tuition rates, universities love them and give them preferential admissions. Though not as bad as elementary and high schools, universities suffer from grade inflation and are reluctant to kick out paying customers, especially those paying the highest tuition. As a consequence, academic standards are being reduced at a rapid rate. If you want to come to the US to get a professional job, attending a US university instead of a domestic one is going to be worth the extra cost when it guarantees you a Green Card. There might be a reduction in the flow of low skilled labor, especially for those looking to hire workers without legal status, but up the middle class portion of the labor market, expect the system to continue to favor cheap imported labor over domestic labor.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  STEM grad student tuition is paid by government grants
  - p10_user 2y ago
    Generally not for Masters' programs though, which is the most popular and easiest way to get a temporary study visa. Then they pay out of state tuition rates.
  - morpheuskafka 2y ago
    That's in no small part for the benefit of the US university, though, not just a personal benefit to the student. In some sense, grad students are a bit like faculty in that they are "part of" the university and contribute to its prestige and academic output in a way that undergrads don't. Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university and the accomplishments of its PI's labs. Undergrad selectivity/quality does affect rankings too, but it doesn't probably doesn't affect faculty recruitment (except for the rare faculty that care a lot about teaching), but grad student recruitment absolutely does. Even a pathological case of a selfish PI who doesn't care about the students themselves and just cares about his own prestige/publications is going to be very interested in the quality of grad students coming in each year. Even state institutions that favor in-state heavily for undergrad generally don't do so for grad school. Likewise, having an international faculty and grad student base is typically considered an ipso facto positive thing for a university, which has a inherent role of exchange of ideas and thus also of the people that hold them. Some countries even offer grants to arguably more generous grants to foreign students (ex. the MEXT scholarship in Japan) for that reason--having quality international students is an essential part of the prestige of their unis and one that they by definition can't improve through their own students. Re: your point about costs, even with tuition grants, the costs of grad school in the US due to double effect of the strong dollar and high cost of living is likely to be just as high as a domestic school with higher tuition but potentially free room and board, and much lower food/transit/etc costs.
behringer 2y ago
I wouldn't count on it. But there will certainly be tons of new part time jobs with no benefits and no health insurance.
dragonwriter 2y ago
Yes, the depression the administration’s tariffs (and other policies) will produce will eliminate the jobs done by H1B workers, among others, and eliminate the incentives for economic immigration.

gostsamo 2y ago

Not likely. The new government is not interested in harming the interests of the big employers.

paxys 2y ago

Just like how the last Trump government fixed it?

coding123 2y ago
House and Senate this time baby!
- Glide 2y ago
  Just like last time!
- Loudergood 2y ago
  Same as last time.

mithametacs 2y ago

One can hope for a silver lining.

zjdixhxjzkz 2y ago

Trumps has talked multiple times about “stapling green cards to diplomas”. His rhetoric on illegal immigration is going to result in illegals who have committed a felony being deported and that’s it (just like every other neocon). Making America better for Americans won’t happen until both sides realize neither party is looking out for the interests of American people and uses social issues etc to keep us divided.

yonaguska 2y ago
And here's the source https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1803926021542154323 https://x.com/USTechWorkers/status/1803926021542154323
JAlexoid 2y ago
As someone who went though the legal means when he was in the office last time, he will primarily hurt the legal immigration... because that is the easiest thing for them to do - grind USCIS to a halt.

Applejinx 2y ago

I actually couldn't begin to guess. The only thing I have to go on is, I think the administration is angling to do a sort of bust-out rather than enrich anybody, even those 'on their side'. If that's so, then much like with the FDA, there'll be some funny choices that lead to alarming outcomes. I just don't know whether that would mean more h1b and ghost jobs, or less.

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

Unlikely. "Staple a Green Card to their diploma" is what Trump had to say about students from other countries that graduate from US universities. Since out of country students pay the highest tuition rates, universities love them and give them preferential admissions. Though not as bad as elementary and high schools, universities suffer from grade inflation and are reluctant to kick out paying customers, especially those paying the highest tuition. As a consequence, academic standards are being reduced at a rapid rate. If you want to come to the US to get a professional job, attending a US university instead of a domestic one is going to be worth the extra cost when it guarantees you a Green Card. There might be a reduction in the flow of low skilled labor, especially for those looking to hire workers without legal status, but up the middle class portion of the labor market, expect the system to continue to favor cheap imported labor over domestic labor.

selimthegrim 2y ago
STEM grad student tuition is paid by government grants
- p10_user 2y ago
  Generally not for Masters' programs though, which is the most popular and easiest way to get a temporary study visa. Then they pay out of state tuition rates.
- morpheuskafka 2y ago
  That's in no small part for the benefit of the US university, though, not just a personal benefit to the student. In some sense, grad students are a bit like faculty in that they are "part of" the university and contribute to its prestige and academic output in a way that undergrads don't. Not providing them with grants, and thus decreasing the success in recruiting them, would lower the prestige of the university and the accomplishments of its PI's labs. Undergrad selectivity/quality does affect rankings too, but it doesn't probably doesn't affect faculty recruitment (except for the rare faculty that care a lot about teaching), but grad student recruitment absolutely does. Even a pathological case of a selfish PI who doesn't care about the students themselves and just cares about his own prestige/publications is going to be very interested in the quality of grad students coming in each year. Even state institutions that favor in-state heavily for undergrad generally don't do so for grad school. Likewise, having an international faculty and grad student base is typically considered an ipso facto positive thing for a university, which has a inherent role of exchange of ideas and thus also of the people that hold them. Some countries even offer grants to arguably more generous grants to foreign students (ex. the MEXT scholarship in Japan) for that reason--having quality international students is an essential part of the prestige of their unis and one that they by definition can't improve through their own students. Re: your point about costs, even with tuition grants, the costs of grad school in the US due to double effect of the strong dollar and high cost of living is likely to be just as high as a domestic school with higher tuition but potentially free room and board, and much lower food/transit/etc costs.

behringer 2y ago

I wouldn't count on it. But there will certainly be tons of new part time jobs with no benefits and no health insurance.

dragonwriter 2y ago

Yes, the depression the administration’s tariffs (and other policies) will produce will eliminate the jobs done by H1B workers, among others, and eliminate the incentives for economic immigration.