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I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with

I know this is so common to say that it's a joke at this point but... I'd just quit. If people in my company are making sweeping decisions that I disagree with (how much they are based in reality aside), I would just leave. If the company isn't aligning with you on something you feel passionately about, just leave. There are oodles of companies out there that would align with you on this.

subhro 2y ago
I hope you understand how privileged you are to be able to say that and hopefully do what you say.
- Buttons840 2y ago
  Being in a position to point out the privilege of another is itself quite a privilege. There is rarely a suggestion given in modern society that doesn't assume a good amount of privilege, and pointing this out every time isn't helpful. I welcome suggestions that can help those who cannot simply quit, but you didn't give such a suggestion, which is why I say it wasn't helpful. Accusing people of privilege is a dead end. A person who has been accused of privilege is left without direction. It is better to say "what about these other people" than to say "you're privileged", because it directs attention to the other people. It avoids accusation and focuses attention on those in need.
- FredPret 2y ago
  This is so tiresome. If you’re reading this you’re privileged. Somewhere on this planet is a single individual human who is the very unluckiest and most unfortunate. Everyone else is privileged. Even that guy is lucky to be alive now and not 1000 years ago. None of this makes OP wrong.
  - digging 2y ago
    Nothing you just posted is relevant to the conversation. Most HN readers can't quit their job on a whim without putting their household in jeopardy. That's the sentiment you're responding to.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      Be that as it may, it's a real solution for many. Calling out a solution as "privileged" adds nothing to this site. You have a job at all? You have the brain and attention span to read this far? You can use computers to solve problems? That's a privilege. And yet we don't point that out every time a programming or career or product question is asked and answered. Perhaps OP could have added something a bit gentler like "quit your job - if you can". But it's fundamentally a sound plan for many of us, and crucially, also even for many of us who aren't aware how much market power they really have.
    - Buttons840 2y ago
      Is it okay to post suggestions that only apply to a small portion (say, 5%) of HN readers and trust people to determine for themselves whether or not the advice is applicable?
  - wikiperson 2y ago
    Yet, it doesn't mean that quitting is always going to be the solution. There are specific conditions that need to be met (sufficient savings, decent possibilities to get a similar job, and so on) in order for quitting to not hurt you financially and professionally. Yes, everyone can be seen as "privileged" if we compare our lives to how it was back then, but that doesn't dismiss the issue.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      It doesn't dismiss the issue because it doesn't perfectly solve the problem for all people everywhere. But that fact doesn't mean it's a real solution many can and should try (or threaten to try).
coliveira 2y ago
You say as if it was so easy to get a new job in 2024... Have you tried to check how the job market is right now?
pluc 2y ago
I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.
- mschild 2y ago
  Or at least have another job lined up before handing in your resignation.
- hayertjez 2y ago
  Are you over reacting or really 800 job applications? An accomplishment for putting so many applications out!
  - cruffle_duffle 2y ago
    I see you haven't been on the job market recently. 800 is nothing.
  - cweagans 2y ago
    It's not a stretch. The job market is terrible and has been for some time. I was 400-500 applications into my job hunt when I *finally* found something and that was at the end of 2022. It has gotten worse since then.
- ffsm8 2y ago
  When such a situation occurs you're meant to start searching for a new job, not turn in your resignation immediately.
  - pluc 2y ago
    I'd say it depends on the situation and how much you value your principles but to each its own.
- camgunz 2y ago
  I'm genuinely super curious because I hear this a lot, but the deepest I ever got was... 5 apps? Do you have some kind of like generic cover letter/resume you fire off 3 times a day? What is your process?
Tainnor 2y ago
"Decisions that I disagree with" are one thing, treating people like children and telling them how to work is quite ridiculous. Yes, not everyone can afford to leave, but I definitely would at that point.

subhro 2y ago

I hope you understand how privileged you are to be able to say that and hopefully do what you say.

Buttons840 2y ago
Being in a position to point out the privilege of another is itself quite a privilege. There is rarely a suggestion given in modern society that doesn't assume a good amount of privilege, and pointing this out every time isn't helpful. I welcome suggestions that can help those who cannot simply quit, but you didn't give such a suggestion, which is why I say it wasn't helpful. Accusing people of privilege is a dead end. A person who has been accused of privilege is left without direction. It is better to say "what about these other people" than to say "you're privileged", because it directs attention to the other people. It avoids accusation and focuses attention on those in need.
FredPret 2y ago
This is so tiresome. If you’re reading this you’re privileged. Somewhere on this planet is a single individual human who is the very unluckiest and most unfortunate. Everyone else is privileged. Even that guy is lucky to be alive now and not 1000 years ago. None of this makes OP wrong.
- digging 2y ago
  Nothing you just posted is relevant to the conversation. Most HN readers can't quit their job on a whim without putting their household in jeopardy. That's the sentiment you're responding to.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    Be that as it may, it's a real solution for many. Calling out a solution as "privileged" adds nothing to this site. You have a job at all? You have the brain and attention span to read this far? You can use computers to solve problems? That's a privilege. And yet we don't point that out every time a programming or career or product question is asked and answered. Perhaps OP could have added something a bit gentler like "quit your job - if you can". But it's fundamentally a sound plan for many of us, and crucially, also even for many of us who aren't aware how much market power they really have.
  - Buttons840 2y ago
    Is it okay to post suggestions that only apply to a small portion (say, 5%) of HN readers and trust people to determine for themselves whether or not the advice is applicable?
- wikiperson 2y ago
  Yet, it doesn't mean that quitting is always going to be the solution. There are specific conditions that need to be met (sufficient savings, decent possibilities to get a similar job, and so on) in order for quitting to not hurt you financially and professionally. Yes, everyone can be seen as "privileged" if we compare our lives to how it was back then, but that doesn't dismiss the issue.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    It doesn't dismiss the issue because it doesn't perfectly solve the problem for all people everywhere. But that fact doesn't mean it's a real solution many can and should try (or threaten to try).

coliveira 2y ago

You say as if it was so easy to get a new job in 2024... Have you tried to check how the job market is right now?

pluc 2y ago

I quit over principles about 9 months and 800 job applications ago. I'd advise not to do it unless you're sitting on a pile of cash.

mschild 2y ago
Or at least have another job lined up before handing in your resignation.
hayertjez 2y ago
Are you over reacting or really 800 job applications? An accomplishment for putting so many applications out!
- cruffle_duffle 2y ago
  I see you haven't been on the job market recently. 800 is nothing.
- cweagans 2y ago
  It's not a stretch. The job market is terrible and has been for some time. I was 400-500 applications into my job hunt when I *finally* found something and that was at the end of 2022. It has gotten worse since then.
ffsm8 2y ago
When such a situation occurs you're meant to start searching for a new job, not turn in your resignation immediately.
- pluc 2y ago
  I'd say it depends on the situation and how much you value your principles but to each its own.
camgunz 2y ago
I'm genuinely super curious because I hear this a lot, but the deepest I ever got was... 5 apps? Do you have some kind of like generic cover letter/resume you fire off 3 times a day? What is your process?

Tainnor 2y ago

"Decisions that I disagree with" are one thing, treating people like children and telling them how to work is quite ridiculous. Yes, not everyone can afford to leave, but I definitely would at that point.