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Micron launches 60TB PCIe gen5 SSD with 12GB/s read speeds
- xuki 2y agoLooking forward to have this in my homelab in 10 years.
- ixaxaar 2y agoWoohoo exactly!
- userbinator 2y agoIn 10 years they'll all be worn out.
- shiroiushi 2y agoI'm pretty sure he means brand-new versions, with the idea that high-end enterprise tech like this will eventually become inexpensive consumer-level tech, as it usually does.
- edgineer 2y agoOld drives on eBay are somehow usually in great condition and barely used in my experience.
- xuki 2y agoYou would be surprised! Enterprise stuff get decomissioned after a set amount of time, it doesn't matter if they still work.
- fx1994 2y agoTrue. In our storage we had complete servers and storage originally packaged in case server in our Datacentar would die. After x years we decommissioned both of them. It was a heartbreaking moment to throw stuff to recycling that was not used and mint packaged. I secretly hide some Pentium I laptops that came with storage and gave them to collectors.
- baq 2y agoyou aren't getting a second hand enterprise drive anyway unless it's bootlegged. it's like infosec 101.
- ivewonyoung 2y agoHopefully that should be enough for the swap file while Chrome is running.
- superkuh 2y agoIf your use case is intense random IO writes a pcie 3 generation optane drive would be a better choice. Significantly less space and much lower sequential thoroughput but much better latency and about the same random IO thoroughput and probably better TBWs.
- Numerlor 2y agoHave nand ssds caught up with optane on random? Last I've heard they were still handily beating them but it has been a while
- threeseed 2y agoNo. Nothing on the market today is faster than a 905p when it comes to latency. Really is bizarre considering it’s an 8 year old product.
- ComputerGuru 2y agoMine died a few months ago (I'm pretty sure just the onboard electronics died, not the cells) and I miss it.
- superkuh 2y agoI'd heard the Micron 7450 Pro 15 TB u.3 is comparable to an Optane 905p 1.5TB u.2 when it comes to random 4K IO; spec sheet states, "Latency, READ (TYP): 80μs, WRITE (TYP): 15μs" and 500k iops. Whereas a typical Optane 905p has 10μs writes up to 500 kiops. (ref: https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/documents/products/technical-marketing-brief/7450-nvme-ssd-tech-prod-spec.pdf https://www.micron.com/content/dam/micron/global/public/docu... vs https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16636/rr-rate-905p-1500.png https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16636/rr-rate-905p-1500.pn...) Over that range they're comparable it's ~10 microseconds vs ~15 microseconds. Really impressive stuff for a charge trap SSD. Size for size, and cost for cost, I'd rather have optane though.
- piskov 2y agoPablo Escobar used to announce the price of cocaine on the radio every day, but you will not know even the estimate for an SSD :-)
- ClumsyPilot 2y agoSSDs cost more per gram?
- 93po 2y agoprinter ink sure does
- brunorsini 2y agoMoore's law: making us disappointed by the storage industry since 1965.
- wmf 2y agoThere are a few retailers that carry enterprise SSDs so you don't have to "call for pricing", eg. https://www.wiredzone.com/shop/category/components-hard-drives-115?order=list_price+desc&filter=46-658&filter=49-705&filter=49-706&category=115 https://www.wiredzone.com/shop/category/components-hard-driv...
- choppaface 2y agoFor those who don’t want to click thru: the link shows Gen 4 60 TB drives from Western Digital and Solidigm for ~$7,262.00 ($121/TB). The Micron Gen 5 part is likely much more money. Note on eBay there are currently many listings for 2018-era Intel 8TB P4510 Gen 3 drives, some for as little as $50/TB. These drives have great (enterprise) endurance and performance and became a key part in the sale from Intel to Solidigm. The Micron listing is certainly a milestone, but the NVME market is getting as crowded as CPUs (e.g. 10-year-old Haswell is still plenty useful today).
- DaiPlusPlus 2y ago
- alberth 2y agoWhat’s new here? A 61TB NVME was launched 18-months ago https://www.techradar.com/pro/worlds-highest-capacity-pcie-ssd-hits-61tb-and-you-could-fit-two-in-your-pc https://www.techradar.com/pro/worlds-highest-capacity-pcie-s...
- pwarner 2y agoPCIe 5 is what's new
- Springtime 2y agoIt's also TLC not QLC.
- wtallis 2y agoNice to see the product brief break down the write endurance rating by workload. They really want you to use at least 16kB block sizes with this drive. NAND page sizes have been larger than 4kB for quite a while now, but most SSDs still put significant effort into handling 4kB IO operations well. This market segment of server drives optimized for capacity over performance or endurance is where vendors are most willing to be up front about how your workload really should be appropriate for the drive.
- dylan604 2y agoOr it could be a boon for video/audio/graphics types. I’m used to setting up my spinning rust arrays with 64k block sizes. Continuous reads from large files vs lots of tiny files is something that tripped up a lot of storage vendors trying to break into the media world.
- bufferoverflow 2y agoIt's very expensive. Gen5 SSDs are around $100/TB. Hard drives are $16/TB. It makes sense to have a small fast SSD for editing, but HDDs for mass-storage. And with video you usually want redundancy, storage gets expensive fast.
- dylan604 2y agoAnd with any data you usually want redundancy, FTFY But I know what you meant. I used to have systems built with multiple small arrays where the original sources were in RAID-5 (pre-raid6). The software would read from that array and write to a RAID0 array as these files were only ephemeral. The software would then read from that RAID0 and write to a second RAID0 to avoid reading/writing to the same volume. This was all before SSDs. For the lulz, I would love to see how that workflow would perform with NVMe storage. At the time of using these systems, spinning rust was not $16/TB and was probably closer to the $100/TB. I still remember $1k/GB in the early 90s
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
- Retr0id 2y agoI see they list an MTTF of 2.5 million device hours. That works out at ~285 years - is that really correct? (I'm not really familiar with what's considered normal for devices of this class)
- zamadatix 2y agoAs far as I understand it MTTF measured in device hours is meant to give expectation on how often to expect a failure when you buy a pool of devices and run them a reasonable amount of time (I.e. a number to tell you when you buy 2,000 of this how to calculate your expected failure interval) not necessarily "how long an individual device is expected to keep working".
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- hnuser123456 2y agoIt means if you buy 1000 of them, one might die after 3-4 months, and another one or two within the first year.
- magicalhippo 2y agoThis[1] page explains MTTF as follows: The MTTF is a statistical value that defines after how much time a first failure in a population of devices may occur (measured in hours). If MTTF is given as 1 million hours, and the drives are operated within the specifications, one drive failure per hour can be expected for a population of 1 million drives. For the more realistic quantity of 1000 drives, a Managed Service Provider (MSP) should plan for a failure every 1000 hours (almost 42 days). It also has some formulas to convert MTTF to Annualized Failure Rate (AFR). [1]: https://www.toshiba-storage.com/trends-technology/mttf-what-hard-drive-reliability-really-means/ https://www.toshiba-storage.com/trends-technology/mttf-what-...
- dsp_person 2y agoso how much do these bad boys cost
- dylan604 2y agoIf you have to ask…
- mikeyouse 2y agoThe older, worse, smaller ones seem to run about $4k for the 30TB version just as a random data point. https://www.newegg.com/p/1WK-0046-00133?Item=9SIA12KKAG9016 https://www.newegg.com/p/1WK-0046-00133?Item=9SIA12KKAG9016
- Tempest1981 2y agoAnother different product: Solidigm 61TB for $3.7k (Feb 2024) https://www.tweaktown.com/news/95730/solidigm-61tb-monster-ssd-the-biggest-in-world-is-now-on-sale-for-those-with-deep-pockets/index.html https://www.tweaktown.com/news/95730/solidigm-61tb-monster-s... Although $7340 here: https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-61-44tb-d5-p5336/p/N82E16820318031 https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-61-44tb-d5-p5336/p/N82E16820...
- user_7832 2y agoHonestly that’s not bad at all. It works out to ~$370 for 6TB. I’ve paid about $150 for 2TB as a consumer when building my laptop so I’d imagine the cost isn’t too bad for business customers.
- alwayslikethis 2y agoCompare to what Apple charges, thats a bargain.
- alberth 2y agoNetflix Where can I read about the storage drives used at Netflix? I know there’s info on the Gbps they push, and using AMD chips, and FreeBSD. But I haven’t read anything about their storage setup.
- asadhaider 2y agohttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/redditor-acquires-decommissioned-netflix-cache-server-with-262tb-of-storage/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/reddi...
- wmf 2y agoThe latest info I've seen: "16x Intel Gen4 x4 14TB NVMe" https://papers.freebsd.org/2022/EuroBSDCon/gallatin-The_Other_FreeBSD_Optimizations-Netflix.files/euro2022.pdf https://papers.freebsd.org/2022/EuroBSDCon/gallatin-The_Othe...
- riku_iki 2y agoAnd then everything is throttled by single-threaded kswapd in linux which is not fast enough to reclaim memory pages..
- tehlike 2y agoSSD prices have somewhat been sticky & not coming down for some reason... https://pricetracker.wtf/product/63777900-d7b6-4391-addf-b032859873c1/crucial-bx500-2tb-internal-ssd-sata https://pricetracker.wtf/product/63777900-d7b6-4391-addf-b03...
- userbinator 2y agoThat particular model may be a bit special in that it can be modded to run in SLC mode, and a 500GB SLC SSD for ~$100 ($0.20/GB) is great value.
- tehlike 2y agoTIL - thank you.
- awiesenhofer 2y agoDetails about this mod: https://theoverclockingpage.com/2024/05/13/tutorial-transforming-a-qlc-ssd-into-an-slc-ssd-dramatically-increasing-the-drives-endurance/?lang=en https://theoverclockingpage.com/2024/05/13/tutorial-transfor...
- nicman23 2y agoi am really excited to wait 5 years to get one from ebay
- bjoli 2y agoWhy cant we get any of the new nice connectors on consumer hardware? The fact that you will have to get old enterprise hardware to get ECC and any kind of pcie drive connections apart from M2 is stupid.
- karlgkk 2y ago> you will have to get old enterprise hardware to get ECC not true. xeon workstation and a bunch of amd chips support it
- dijit 2y agoSome non-xeon chips support ECC now too, in the 12th generation and onwards. The issue in the consumer space is the motherboard support more than anything- even if your cpu supports ECC; your motherboard rarely if ever advertises support. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-enables-ecc-on-12th-gen-core-cpus https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-enables-ecc-on-12th-...
- JonChesterfield 2y agoSupermicro + elderly intel i3 with ecc working running a fileserver here but neither of those vendors look like good bets for the near future. Asrock + cheap epyc seems to be the most plausible replacement when it dies.
- bjoli 2y agoI tried that AMD thing, and getting things to work properly is hard. Hardly any motherboards advertise ecc support, and getting it to work is finicky and brittle. I stopped using it on my main computer after it silently stopped working and started giving me other memory issue after an OS update.
- karlgkk 2y agoSkill issue. You had to do some actual research on the boards. I grabbed a few manuals and ended up with an asrock.
- tap-snap-or-nap 2y agoApple must be rubbing their hands and licking their lips thinking about the markups from their base models.
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