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Apple Music = few users?? From what I could tell when choosing AM over Spotify, the latter has a lot of playlists for discovery and I would never use my stream

Apple Music = few users?? From what I could tell when choosing AM over Spotify, the latter has a lot of playlists for discovery and I would never use my streaming service for discovery as it encourages the service to promote music it is paid to promote. Of course AM is annoying too because 3 out of 5 navigation icons along the bottom of the UI are for discovery. But AM has Siri integration, which works some of the time… :-/

kcrwfrd_ 2y ago
Apple Music also integrates with your own music library, which is the killer feature for me.
- dustincoates 2y ago
  As does YouTube Music
  - cwillu 2y ago
    I've had songs I uploaded later disappear due to their changing agreements with music providers. A google take-out contained the missing files so I was able to recover them, but I'll never again rely on such an integration.
    - dustincoates 2y ago
      Could it be hidden behind the "Uploads" section? I have a lot of songs that I've uploaded that aren't available on YouTube, but they don't show up unless you go out of your way to find them in their dedicated section.
- Kiro 2y ago
  Doesn't Spotify as well?
  - freetonik 2y ago
    Not really. Spotify's "add your music" feature has always been an afterthought, it's clunky and inconvenient. It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device.
    - nobody9999 2y ago
      >It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device. Perhaps things have changed, but 10 or so years ago I "uploaded" my music to Spotify and it didn't actually upload anything, nor did it play my local music. Rather, spotify used whatever it had in its database with the same name/artist, which wasn't always the same recording or even the same song. And then there were the ads. No thanks. I have my own library of more than 22,000 tracks and use Winamp, Jellyfin and VLC to play them wherever I happen to be. No muss, no fuss, and most importantly, no ads.
  - jeltz 2y ago
    It used to, but then they removed it. They might have re-added it since though.
- ano-ther 2y ago
  Beware of the full integration though. It deleted the files I had from my CDs and replaced it with the Apple Music version. Some items now stay greyed out because they don’t have a license. And some versions got replaced (eg, to the remastered ones).
freetanga 2y ago
I find the user experience of Apple Music to be subpar, and keeps pushing young genres in which I have zero interest. I use Cider on my desktop but mobile is still a challenge.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  On the other hand Spotify has literal porn on it along with Joe Rogan.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    Then it's easy to see why Spotify is so popular in America these days...
freetonik 2y ago
Apple Music has been utterly awful on desktop for years, with virtually zero positive progress. I made this angry video [1] 4 years ago, and have tried using Apple Music multiple times since then, and it never failed to disappoint. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8ZikfrpFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8ZikfrpFU
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  Does Apple care though? It seems that Apple's main focus these days is on mobile "lifestyle" devices and services: iPhone, Siri, and Apple Music fits right into that. How many Apple users actually care about listening to AM on their desktop (presumably a Mac)? Of course, Apple still pushes its overpriced Macs, but the focus there seems to be on developers (for the more expensive stuff--big monitors, workstations, etc.) or people (probably corporate workers, developers, etc.) using MacBooks. In both cases, the focus seems to be on machines used for doing work. I'm just guessing, but I would guess that most MacOS users who want to listen to (Apple) music would do so on their personal device, i.e. their iPhone, rather than their MacOS device which is probably owned and managed by their employer.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Oh my god you made this video? I have sent it to so many people to explain my feelings for it. Thank you so much for saying what I wanted to but so much better!
  - freetonik 2y ago
    You're welcome. I made that channel with the intention of making more videos about other apps and products, but so far could only muster Apple Music :)
- deleted 2y ago
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- submeta 2y ago
  You are spot on. Apple does one thing very good: MacOS + Macs. But I don’t like Apple software. Too limited, too crippled, too unpredictable. And they don’t listen to users, you cannot reach out to someone and hope your feedback will change something.
rumori 2y ago
I used to use Apple Music but when my Credit Card expired I missed two months payment and Apple happily deleted all of my playlists and library. I don’t think they realise how bad this is, but I will never use it or subscribe ever again.
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  You missed two months of payment and you are angry that a company closed the account? Boy do I have to tell you a story about what you can lose by not paying your AWS bill for two months… I am curious how you handle customers that do not pay and continue to not pay instead of just ending their subscription.
  - piva00 2y ago
    In many places I worked we would keep a user's history on the app for a long while in case they decided to resubscribe. It doesn't cost much to have a 6-12 months leeway before complete deletion. Erasing a music app data after just a couple of months is idiotic, even more for a company with such deep pockets like Apple.
  - oarsinsync 2y ago
    I stopped paying for Spotify for 3 years, didn’t login for 2 of those years, came back and my playlists were all still there. My annual Apple Music subscription lapsed for one day, and my entire library was gone the next day when I resubscribed for another year. Apple are allowed to make whatever customer hostile choices they want. As a former Apple Music customer, I’m not making that mistake again.
  - senpos 2y ago
    What do you lose if you don’t pay to AWS for two months? My account is still there. I can still use it. I am pretty sure it has some historic data there as well. Probably my old lambdas are still laying around.
  - vbezhenar 2y ago
    AWS has to pay a relatively big money for keeping user data. It is understandable why they would want to delete it. Playlists are basically zero cost to store. You would spend more $ on delete processing than keeping them around for eternity. So it's just not well thought use-case, implemented without attempt to view the whole picture.

kcrwfrd_ 2y ago

Apple Music also integrates with your own music library, which is the killer feature for me.

dustincoates 2y ago
As does YouTube Music
- cwillu 2y ago
  I've had songs I uploaded later disappear due to their changing agreements with music providers. A google take-out contained the missing files so I was able to recover them, but I'll never again rely on such an integration.
  - dustincoates 2y ago
    Could it be hidden behind the "Uploads" section? I have a lot of songs that I've uploaded that aren't available on YouTube, but they don't show up unless you go out of your way to find them in their dedicated section.
Kiro 2y ago
Doesn't Spotify as well?
- freetonik 2y ago
  Not really. Spotify's "add your music" feature has always been an afterthought, it's clunky and inconvenient. It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device.
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    >It doesn't really store your files in Cloud, like Apple Music does; it just allows you to access local files per device. Perhaps things have changed, but 10 or so years ago I "uploaded" my music to Spotify and it didn't actually upload anything, nor did it play my local music. Rather, spotify used whatever it had in its database with the same name/artist, which wasn't always the same recording or even the same song. And then there were the ads. No thanks. I have my own library of more than 22,000 tracks and use Winamp, Jellyfin and VLC to play them wherever I happen to be. No muss, no fuss, and most importantly, no ads.
- jeltz 2y ago
  It used to, but then they removed it. They might have re-added it since though.
ano-ther 2y ago
Beware of the full integration though. It deleted the files I had from my CDs and replaced it with the Apple Music version. Some items now stay greyed out because they don’t have a license. And some versions got replaced (eg, to the remastered ones).

freetanga 2y ago

I find the user experience of Apple Music to be subpar, and keeps pushing young genres in which I have zero interest. I use Cider on my desktop but mobile is still a challenge.

theshrike79 2y ago
On the other hand Spotify has literal porn on it along with Joe Rogan.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  Then it's easy to see why Spotify is so popular in America these days...

freetonik 2y ago

Apple Music has been utterly awful on desktop for years, with virtually zero positive progress. I made this angry video [1] 4 years ago, and have tried using Apple Music multiple times since then, and it never failed to disappoint. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8ZikfrpFU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE8ZikfrpFU

shiroiushi 2y ago
Does Apple care though? It seems that Apple's main focus these days is on mobile "lifestyle" devices and services: iPhone, Siri, and Apple Music fits right into that. How many Apple users actually care about listening to AM on their desktop (presumably a Mac)? Of course, Apple still pushes its overpriced Macs, but the focus there seems to be on developers (for the more expensive stuff--big monitors, workstations, etc.) or people (probably corporate workers, developers, etc.) using MacBooks. In both cases, the focus seems to be on machines used for doing work. I'm just guessing, but I would guess that most MacOS users who want to listen to (Apple) music would do so on their personal device, i.e. their iPhone, rather than their MacOS device which is probably owned and managed by their employer.
saagarjha 2y ago
Oh my god you made this video? I have sent it to so many people to explain my feelings for it. Thank you so much for saying what I wanted to but so much better!
- freetonik 2y ago
  You're welcome. I made that channel with the intention of making more videos about other apps and products, but so far could only muster Apple Music :)
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submeta 2y ago
You are spot on. Apple does one thing very good: MacOS + Macs. But I don’t like Apple software. Too limited, too crippled, too unpredictable. And they don’t listen to users, you cannot reach out to someone and hope your feedback will change something.

rumori 2y ago

I used to use Apple Music but when my Credit Card expired I missed two months payment and Apple happily deleted all of my playlists and library. I don’t think they realise how bad this is, but I will never use it or subscribe ever again.

BoredPositron 2y ago
You missed two months of payment and you are angry that a company closed the account? Boy do I have to tell you a story about what you can lose by not paying your AWS bill for two months… I am curious how you handle customers that do not pay and continue to not pay instead of just ending their subscription.
- piva00 2y ago
  In many places I worked we would keep a user's history on the app for a long while in case they decided to resubscribe. It doesn't cost much to have a 6-12 months leeway before complete deletion. Erasing a music app data after just a couple of months is idiotic, even more for a company with such deep pockets like Apple.
- oarsinsync 2y ago
  I stopped paying for Spotify for 3 years, didn’t login for 2 of those years, came back and my playlists were all still there. My annual Apple Music subscription lapsed for one day, and my entire library was gone the next day when I resubscribed for another year. Apple are allowed to make whatever customer hostile choices they want. As a former Apple Music customer, I’m not making that mistake again.
- senpos 2y ago
  What do you lose if you don’t pay to AWS for two months? My account is still there. I can still use it. I am pretty sure it has some historic data there as well. Probably my old lambdas are still laying around.
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  AWS has to pay a relatively big money for keeping user data. It is understandable why they would want to delete it. Playlists are basically zero cost to store. You would spend more $ on delete processing than keeping them around for eternity. So it's just not well thought use-case, implemented without attempt to view the whole picture.