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This isn't your business though right? Why would you be worrying the owner is letting management be shit, and letting their asset crumble? The only step up you

This isn't your business though right? Why would you be worrying the owner is letting management be shit, and letting their asset crumble? The only step up you should be considering is to a better role, at a better company, with better leadership.

al_borland 2y ago
The main reason I think about stepping back in is not to help the owners, but to protect my own sanity by bringing order to the chaos.
- sureglymop 2y ago
  I understand exactly where you are coming from but I just want to warn you. This sounds very familiar to me and could lead to a classic burnout. I am saying this out of care and not to judge you but, you may be too invested in something that you don't have a big enough stake in. And also, if bringing order to the chaos is not an overarching goal of to business, your work is even misaligned. Ask yourself this: could I reduce my work hours significantly or take a sabbatical? If daily business would continue as usual, it would be an indication that the extra work and ordering you do is not visible anyway. If this is only to keep your own sanity, don't you think it would be much nicer to put that effort behind something you made and control?
  - jakupovic 2y ago
    OP Listen to the take above, please
- jalapenos 2y ago
  So it's like a hero syndrome? You want to be the saviour? You're choosing to dwell in that chaos. You've always the option of looking in the mirror, asking hard questions on your motives, and then moving on to somewhere peaceful.
- sevensor 2y ago
  I was in your shoes. Stepped into management because the alternative was being managed by someone I knew couldn’t handle it, and I was given the choice. It didn’t take long for me to wind up doing three jobs, two of them management. I switched companies for one with more professional management. Flat org structure just means “squeeze all the juice out of your experienced engineers until they quit.”
bilekas 2y ago
> This isn't your business though right? Why would you be worrying the owner is letting management be shit, and letting their asset crumble? I really don't like this take to be honest, I will only work at a company that I want to work at. It's not like working a mindless 9-5 where I just want to clock out and leave. I'm there because I want to be and believe in the product/company I'm working for. There's nothing wrong with that, regardless of managment, if I'm working towards something, I already feel I want to improve it. It's not a "Hero syndrome" as you mentioned in your other comment, it's more having self respect for your work.
- krageon 2y ago
  If you believe in a company you do actually have problems IMO. The corporation exists to exploit you and tries to make that okay by giving you money. You do not owe it anything, certainly not faith. Self-respect has to do with doing the work you're asked to do well, not making sure the corporation runs better than it's leadership facilitates.

al_borland 2y ago

The main reason I think about stepping back in is not to help the owners, but to protect my own sanity by bringing order to the chaos.

sureglymop 2y ago
I understand exactly where you are coming from but I just want to warn you. This sounds very familiar to me and could lead to a classic burnout. I am saying this out of care and not to judge you but, you may be too invested in something that you don't have a big enough stake in. And also, if bringing order to the chaos is not an overarching goal of to business, your work is even misaligned. Ask yourself this: could I reduce my work hours significantly or take a sabbatical? If daily business would continue as usual, it would be an indication that the extra work and ordering you do is not visible anyway. If this is only to keep your own sanity, don't you think it would be much nicer to put that effort behind something you made and control?
- jakupovic 2y ago
  OP Listen to the take above, please
jalapenos 2y ago
So it's like a hero syndrome? You want to be the saviour? You're choosing to dwell in that chaos. You've always the option of looking in the mirror, asking hard questions on your motives, and then moving on to somewhere peaceful.
sevensor 2y ago
I was in your shoes. Stepped into management because the alternative was being managed by someone I knew couldn’t handle it, and I was given the choice. It didn’t take long for me to wind up doing three jobs, two of them management. I switched companies for one with more professional management. Flat org structure just means “squeeze all the juice out of your experienced engineers until they quit.”

bilekas 2y ago

> This isn't your business though right? Why would you be worrying the owner is letting management be shit, and letting their asset crumble? I really don't like this take to be honest, I will only work at a company that I want to work at. It's not like working a mindless 9-5 where I just want to clock out and leave. I'm there because I want to be and believe in the product/company I'm working for. There's nothing wrong with that, regardless of managment, if I'm working towards something, I already feel I want to improve it. It's not a "Hero syndrome" as you mentioned in your other comment, it's more having self respect for your work.

krageon 2y ago
If you believe in a company you do actually have problems IMO. The corporation exists to exploit you and tries to make that okay by giving you money. You do not owe it anything, certainly not faith. Self-respect has to do with doing the work you're asked to do well, not making sure the corporation runs better than it's leadership facilitates.