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>I don’t know a single person who pirates music anymore. It’s way too convenient to pay $5-10/month for unlimited access to nearly every record ever created. D

>I don’t know a single person who pirates music anymore. It’s way too convenient to pay $5-10/month for unlimited access to nearly every record ever created. Do you know any single person who travels outside of 4G coverage? Because the $5/$10 mo doesn't do much for you in a National or State Park in the US two hours away from a major city.

xxpor 2y ago
Spotify has supported downloads for over a decade.
function_seven 2y ago
I'm outside coverage areas all the time. I download my music to the phone and it still works.
dopp0 2y ago
if it's just travelling: most streaming services allow downloading music so you can listen offline for some time (ie spotify)
squeaky-clean 2y ago
You can download music on Spotify / Apple Music / YT Music far more easily than pirating it. And you only have to connect to their servers once every 30 days. You don't even need a 4G connection for that, it's just a few kilobytes exchanged to renew the offline period.
- romwell 2y ago
  >And you only have to connect to their servers once every 30 days. You don't even need a 4G connection for that, it's just a few kilobytes exchanged to renew the offline period. So, if I have a playlist in Spotify to listen to on long hikes, I will find out that I can't play it when I get to the hike (unless I use Spotify all the time, or think about this crap in advance). Thanks, I understand that I can jump through hoops to make it work. But an MP3 works 100% of the time, every time, without any of that crap, or thinking; I copy the file to a memory file once, and that's it. No passwords, no accounts, no internet, no logging in. Many bands I listen to have Bandcamp/SoundCloud accounts, which offer DRM-free audio downloads. I use that when it's an option - and it pays the artists orders of magnitude more than Spotify ever will. If I have a CD from a local show, I will rip that. Otherwise, I am not going to make my life more inconvenient for the sake of a major artist getting $0.000002 from my Spotify subscription. I'll pirate their work.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > unless I use Spotify all the time Yes, that is the premise of this line of conversation, that you're using a music service all the time. (Also it might be able to check in even when you're not actively using it.)
jdietrich 2y ago
All of the major music streaming services have an offline mode. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-music-and-listen-offline-iph0cff2d191/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-music-and-listen-... https://support.spotify.com/us/article/listen-offline/ https://support.spotify.com/us/article/listen-offline/
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  When I worked on an underway Navy ship recently my friend's Netflix downloads stopped working after having no cell service for a month.
  - count 2y ago
    That's being worked on actively - https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/
    - romwell 2y ago
      That's not being worked on at all. The problem isn't lack of data service on ships. It's things stopping to work offline.

xxpor 2y ago

Spotify has supported downloads for over a decade.

function_seven 2y ago

I'm outside coverage areas all the time. I download my music to the phone and it still works.

dopp0 2y ago

if it's just travelling: most streaming services allow downloading music so you can listen offline for some time (ie spotify)

squeaky-clean 2y ago

You can download music on Spotify / Apple Music / YT Music far more easily than pirating it. And you only have to connect to their servers once every 30 days. You don't even need a 4G connection for that, it's just a few kilobytes exchanged to renew the offline period.

romwell 2y ago
>And you only have to connect to their servers once every 30 days. You don't even need a 4G connection for that, it's just a few kilobytes exchanged to renew the offline period. So, if I have a playlist in Spotify to listen to on long hikes, I will find out that I can't play it when I get to the hike (unless I use Spotify all the time, or think about this crap in advance). Thanks, I understand that I can jump through hoops to make it work. But an MP3 works 100% of the time, every time, without any of that crap, or thinking; I copy the file to a memory file once, and that's it. No passwords, no accounts, no internet, no logging in. Many bands I listen to have Bandcamp/SoundCloud accounts, which offer DRM-free audio downloads. I use that when it's an option - and it pays the artists orders of magnitude more than Spotify ever will. If I have a CD from a local show, I will rip that. Otherwise, I am not going to make my life more inconvenient for the sake of a major artist getting $0.000002 from my Spotify subscription. I'll pirate their work.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  > unless I use Spotify all the time Yes, that is the premise of this line of conversation, that you're using a music service all the time. (Also it might be able to check in even when you're not actively using it.)

jdietrich 2y ago

All of the major music streaming services have an offline mode. https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-music-and-listen-offline-iph0cff2d191/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-music-and-listen-... https://support.spotify.com/us/article/listen-offline/ https://support.spotify.com/us/article/listen-offline/

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
When I worked on an underway Navy ship recently my friend's Netflix downloads stopped working after having no cell service for a month.
- count 2y ago
  That's being worked on actively - https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/ https://www.wired.com/story/us-navy-starlink-sea2/
  - romwell 2y ago
    That's not being worked on at all. The problem isn't lack of data service on ships. It's things stopping to work offline.