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They are not interested in helping Ukraine win. I think it is evident that the US and EU have only dripped in enough to exhaust both sides. Just look at the las

They are not interested in helping Ukraine win. I think it is evident that the US and EU have only dripped in enough to exhaust both sides. Just look at the last 1000 days plus, artillery took 6 months to a year, tanks took over a year, air defense was not even on the table until Russians started bombing civilians, Jets took 2 plus years plus, and 50% of what was promised since the start of the War has not been delivered. With partners like that it is a testament to the strength of the Ukrainian people. They deserved better. Wish the outcome would be different but, the West will forsake Ukraine just like it won't come to Taiwan's aid. Bookmark it.

jvanderbot 2y ago
Your post contradicts itself. Did the west not aid, or did they not aid enough? Ukraine is still a sovereign state and I'm not convinced that would be the case without Western intelligence and military aid. Second, it's easy to say "They aren't aiding enough, and won't aid enough, bookmark it", if you can slide the definition of enough as far as you want, and use past delays as proof of I guess current status somehow. (Artillery was delayed therefore the fact that we're sending tons of artillery is somehow proof we aren't aiding? Ridiculous.)
- ChumpGPT 2y ago
  Perhaps you don't understand what is happening in Ukraine and rely on Western media as your information source. Ukraine is very short on ammunition and weapons. The West has failed to provide even the basics. Ammunition is running low, the Russians received more from North Korea in 6 months than Ukraine has received since the War began in 2014. The aid the West has promised and sent is laughable, Zelensky has to come out every day and beg that they send what is promised. Can you imagine throwing a drowning man toothpicks, while you sit on the shore with a life preserver? That is what the West is doing to Ukraine and its people, it is unconscionable. The same kind of support awaits Taiwan and I tell you this while wishing the best for Taiwan but, reality suggests something different. Taiwan is doomed if Ukraine is an example of the support they can rely on from the US/EU. It's why their President said the outcome of the War in Ukraine will determine Taiwan's fate.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Russia is also pretty inept compared to China. China has way more smarts and resources, so we can’t really draw any conclusions by looking at Ukraine.
    - baybal2 2y ago
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  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Russians received more from North Korea in 6 months than Ukraine has received since the War began in 2014. Care to provide a numerical breakdown of the assistance NK has provided (even a very rough one) that would support this view? Or is it just a "feeling" you have? Nevermind the 10k troops it has provided -- other providing the Ukrainians with incrementally more targets to shoot at, they'll be mostly useless, and won't have any strategic impact.
  - jvanderbot 2y ago
    I know what I heard from Zelensky on TV. It's not a lot. I wish we all did more, but to say we're not helping is just false.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  Not the OP, but what bugs me is the very, very slow rearmament process in the West. The war has been going on for almost three years by now, and our collective production of ammo and weapons, while higher that before, is still anemic. Shouldn't we increase our industrial capacity faster?
zxcvbnm69 2y ago
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reducesuffering 2y ago
The US and EU moderates in charge for the last 4 years definitely want Ukraine to have a decisive victory in reclaiming their invaded territory. The right-wing (conveniently supported by the Russian state) hinder that to an almost impossible degree. I think this will continue with Taiwan too. Pompeo was the staunch Taiwanese supporter in the last Trump admin and Trump has specifically said he isn't welcome back. These peoples' WW2 ancestors are rolling in their grave.

jvanderbot 2y ago

Your post contradicts itself. Did the west not aid, or did they not aid enough? Ukraine is still a sovereign state and I'm not convinced that would be the case without Western intelligence and military aid. Second, it's easy to say "They aren't aiding enough, and won't aid enough, bookmark it", if you can slide the definition of enough as far as you want, and use past delays as proof of I guess current status somehow. (Artillery was delayed therefore the fact that we're sending tons of artillery is somehow proof we aren't aiding? Ridiculous.)

ChumpGPT 2y ago
Perhaps you don't understand what is happening in Ukraine and rely on Western media as your information source. Ukraine is very short on ammunition and weapons. The West has failed to provide even the basics. Ammunition is running low, the Russians received more from North Korea in 6 months than Ukraine has received since the War began in 2014. The aid the West has promised and sent is laughable, Zelensky has to come out every day and beg that they send what is promised. Can you imagine throwing a drowning man toothpicks, while you sit on the shore with a life preserver? That is what the West is doing to Ukraine and its people, it is unconscionable. The same kind of support awaits Taiwan and I tell you this while wishing the best for Taiwan but, reality suggests something different. Taiwan is doomed if Ukraine is an example of the support they can rely on from the US/EU. It's why their President said the outcome of the War in Ukraine will determine Taiwan's fate.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Russia is also pretty inept compared to China. China has way more smarts and resources, so we can’t really draw any conclusions by looking at Ukraine.
  - baybal2 2y ago
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- aguaviva 2y ago
  Russians received more from North Korea in 6 months than Ukraine has received since the War began in 2014. Care to provide a numerical breakdown of the assistance NK has provided (even a very rough one) that would support this view? Or is it just a "feeling" you have? Nevermind the 10k troops it has provided -- other providing the Ukrainians with incrementally more targets to shoot at, they'll be mostly useless, and won't have any strategic impact.
- jvanderbot 2y ago
  I know what I heard from Zelensky on TV. It's not a lot. I wish we all did more, but to say we're not helping is just false.
inglor_cz 2y ago
Not the OP, but what bugs me is the very, very slow rearmament process in the West. The war has been going on for almost three years by now, and our collective production of ammo and weapons, while higher that before, is still anemic. Shouldn't we increase our industrial capacity faster?

zxcvbnm69 2y ago

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reducesuffering 2y ago

The US and EU moderates in charge for the last 4 years definitely want Ukraine to have a decisive victory in reclaiming their invaded territory. The right-wing (conveniently supported by the Russian state) hinder that to an almost impossible degree. I think this will continue with Taiwan too. Pompeo was the staunch Taiwanese supporter in the last Trump admin and Trump has specifically said he isn't welcome back. These peoples' WW2 ancestors are rolling in their grave.