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The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Rus

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. It seems you may not appreciate the extent to which the sources you're getting these narratives from may be woefully uninformed, and/or simply lying to you. None of this "puppet state" stuff, or the descriptions of events in 2004/2014 that you're echoing here has any connection to reality. If the Ukrainian government were simply a "puppet" of the United States, then it would have evacuated from Kyiv after the 2022 invasion just like the former was advising it to do. But it did the complete opposite, instead.

riehwvfbk 2y ago
You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-programs/2024-07-09/nato-russia-charter-1997-was-forced-step-said https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", "whataboutism", and so on. You can read.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Oh I'm quite certain that many of them are. But I appreciate the thought.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", Which is a pretty strong indication that it most likely isn't.
  - selivanovp 2y ago
    You can go to youtube and search for "prof.Mearsheimer about history of Ukraine conflict" or something like this. This guy is a USA professor that specializes in international relations. He was warning for years that USA course of actions will result in Russia Ukraine war. And he has multiple videos explaining in details the history and how step by step we ended with this war, what could've been done to prevent it, and what steps actually made it inevitable. The main thing is that what he tells is true, well known to Russians, but it's that other side of the story, that is wiped and generally not allowed in Western mass media, so most of USA and other NATO countries citizens are totally unaware of it.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      One could, but Mearsheimer is a crank, and Youtube is notoriously full of disinformation of all sorts. So most of USA and other NATO countries citizens are totally unaware of it. They're perfectly aware of it, because the Russian narrative has been echoed and propagated incessantly by left- and right-wing news outlets and social media commenters ever since 2014.
  - allarm 2y ago
    No, it is not.

riehwvfbk 2y ago

You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-programs/2024-07-09/nato-russia-charter-1997-was-forced-step-said https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", "whataboutism", and so on. You can read.

aguaviva 2y ago
Oh I'm quite certain that many of them are. But I appreciate the thought.
aguaviva 2y ago
I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", Which is a pretty strong indication that it most likely isn't.
- selivanovp 2y ago
  You can go to youtube and search for "prof.Mearsheimer about history of Ukraine conflict" or something like this. This guy is a USA professor that specializes in international relations. He was warning for years that USA course of actions will result in Russia Ukraine war. And he has multiple videos explaining in details the history and how step by step we ended with this war, what could've been done to prevent it, and what steps actually made it inevitable. The main thing is that what he tells is true, well known to Russians, but it's that other side of the story, that is wiped and generally not allowed in Western mass media, so most of USA and other NATO countries citizens are totally unaware of it.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    One could, but Mearsheimer is a crank, and Youtube is notoriously full of disinformation of all sorts. So most of USA and other NATO countries citizens are totally unaware of it. They're perfectly aware of it, because the Russian narrative has been echoed and propagated incessantly by left- and right-wing news outlets and social media commenters ever since 2014.
- allarm 2y ago
  No, it is not.