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> if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return back home. And how do you suppose this will happen? By Trump cutting a deal with Putin
by 9dev 2y ago
> if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return back home.
And how do you suppose this will happen? By Trump cutting a deal with Putin leaving Ukraine out to die, or what?
The Russian soldiers might return home. The Ukrainians won’t. There won’t be a home to return to, and in many cases, there won’t be anyone left to return.
- selivanovp 2y ago[flagged]
- riehwvfbk 2y agoGenerally speaking, wars tend to end.
- 9dev 2y agoSpecifically speaking, however, we are talking about Russia illegally invading and occupying Ukraine, a sovereign state both Russia and the USA have explicitly declared to keep its territorial integrity intact in exchange for its nuclear weapons. We are talking about this because the president-elect of the USA has curiously exclaimed to be able to ”end the war“ in a single day, and the only way that is possible is by simply sacrificing the country to Russias imperialist urges; that specifically implies millions of people loosing their lives, their home, their language, their history, their families, and their belongings. Wars end, true. Exactly how this war ends is crucial.
- selivanovp 2y agoRussia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. Russia is fine with Ukrainians, if you're unaware, Russia accepted the largest number of Ukrainian refugees of all countries. Most of these people got Russian citizenship. It's actually Ukraine, that turned Zelensky into a king with absolute power, dismantled all the opposition party, oppressed Russian language, culture, religion, wiping history, and basically brainwashing population with targeted hatred. The reality is: Ukrainian dystopian regime is hanging on Western support. Without money and weapons they can't even feed their people anymore, but already turning women to cannon fodder, and no doubt, that in a few month they'll force their kids to go to tranches also. Because Ukrainian leaders don't care about Ukraine or Ukrainians, all they care is their pockets, that are filled by the war, and their goal is to prolong this war for as much as possible.
- aguaviva 2y agoThe problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. It seems you may not appreciate the extent to which the sources you're getting these narratives from may be woefully uninformed, and/or simply lying to you. None of this "puppet state" stuff, or the descriptions of events in 2004/2014 that you're echoing here has any connection to reality. If the Ukrainian government were simply a "puppet" of the United States, then it would have evacuated from Kyiv after the 2022 invasion just like the former was advising it to do. But it did the complete opposite, instead.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoYou are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-programs/2024-07-09/nato-russia-charter-1997-was-forced-step-said https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", "whataboutism", and so on. You can read.