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> They the said that they would kill his dog Someone should be in prison. This will not end untill there are personal consequences.

guyfromfargo 2y ago
The article says the officers got promoted.
- simoncion 2y ago
  I'm not sure why this comment was killed. A heading in the ABC 11 article is literally "Officers involved were later promoted". The text of the article later goes on to say > Months after the interrogation, Guthrie was named a 2019 Employee of the Year for the Fontana Police Department. > Guthrie is now a sergeant. So is Janusz. > And Michael Dorsey, the lieutenant who Guthrie says told him and Janusz that officers believed Perez Jr. had killed his father, has been promoted to captain and is now chief of police of Fontana, overseeing 188 sworn officers, according to its website.
  - 77pt77 2y ago
    The system working as intended. This is the hierarchy of competence I keep hearing about.
    - lazide 2y ago
      The underlying thing folks miss is - competence in what. Near as I can tell, they were quite competent in what city leadership wanted.
      - Yeul 2y ago
        The Chinese have the right to complain about their leaders. We don't because we choose them willingly. Crime goes down, the poors don't riot and that's all that matters.
        ClumsyPilot 2y ago
        > We don't because we choose them willingly I mean technically Russia does have elections.
        lazide 2y ago
        Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!
tolerance 2y ago
I’m curious why you chose to draw the line there.
- kyleee 2y ago
  Are you really? Ever heard the line “dog is a man’s best friend”? Or seen that Jon Wick movie?
  - tolerance 2y ago
    I reckon that once the police start trying to frame a man for the imaginary murder of his own father, threatening to actually kill his dog sounds like the most drab of offenses Especially on account of that coming into play later.
    - pdpi 2y ago
      Your “trying to frame a man” is their “trying to get him to confess to something he did”. It’s intellectually lazy on their part to jump to that conclusion without any sort of due diligence, but it’s not necessarily evil per se. Threatening to kill the dog is just plain cruel.
      - tolerance 2y ago
        I’ll try to keep this in mind in case you and I cross paths while I have the upper hand and I happen to be feeling an intellectually lazy sort of way. Whatever happens shouldn’t be attributed to malice. I won’t hurt your pets. My superiors ought to award me for it. I was just being stupid.
      - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
        > Your “trying to frame a man” is their “trying to get him to confess to something he did”. This is not a valid activity. Either you have proof or you don’t. A proper hardened criminal will never confess. If you have a confession, it’s >70% chance for perversion of justice: A terrorist will confess because they want fame In Russia you pay someone to ‘confess’ for your crime and go to prison instead of you. The naive, mentally infirm will confess, often to things they didn’t do. Or you managed to torture a confession out of someone, like they did here. Confessions lead straight to Spanish Inquisition type of justice
Blackthorn 2y ago
Cops routinely kill dogs as a matter of course, and say whatever they want to the arrested. Personal consequences for it are laughable, especially in the current political climate.
- Natsu 2y ago
  Pets are considered mere property damage by the law. I think that's pretty out of line with how most pet owners would feel about anyone hurting their pets.
  - nimbius 2y ago
    well, that depends. your pet? just property. harm or kill a police dog however? youll do 45 years in prison because thats not property, its a "K-9 cop" https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-45-years-in-prison/ https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/man-who-killed-police... double standards like this are how Rome burned.
    - Natsu 2y ago
      I don't mind that being the punishment there so much as I mind that not being the punishment for someone who murders my pet.
    - nindalf 2y ago
      Anything someone doesn’t like becomes a reason Rome burned. Water pipes made of lead? Rome burned. Invasions by barbarian tribes that I’m going to liken to modern immigration to push my anti-immigration stance? Rome burned. Adoption of Christianity by Theodosius in 395AD? Believe it or not, Rome burned in 410AD. “Double standards”? Rome burned. This only works on people who’ve never opened a history book in their lives. Why would you try it here, where people are much more likely to be familiar with Roman history?
      - faggotbreath 2y ago
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guyfromfargo 2y ago

The article says the officers got promoted.

simoncion 2y ago
I'm not sure why this comment was killed. A heading in the ABC 11 article is literally "Officers involved were later promoted". The text of the article later goes on to say > Months after the interrogation, Guthrie was named a 2019 Employee of the Year for the Fontana Police Department. > Guthrie is now a sergeant. So is Janusz. > And Michael Dorsey, the lieutenant who Guthrie says told him and Janusz that officers believed Perez Jr. had killed his father, has been promoted to captain and is now chief of police of Fontana, overseeing 188 sworn officers, according to its website.
- 77pt77 2y ago
  The system working as intended. This is the hierarchy of competence I keep hearing about.
  - lazide 2y ago
    The underlying thing folks miss is - competence in what. Near as I can tell, they were quite competent in what city leadership wanted.
    - Yeul 2y ago
      The Chinese have the right to complain about their leaders. We don't because we choose them willingly. Crime goes down, the poors don't riot and that's all that matters.
      - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
        > We don't because we choose them willingly I mean technically Russia does have elections.
      - lazide 2y ago
        Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!

tolerance 2y ago

I’m curious why you chose to draw the line there.

kyleee 2y ago
Are you really? Ever heard the line “dog is a man’s best friend”? Or seen that Jon Wick movie?
- tolerance 2y ago
  I reckon that once the police start trying to frame a man for the imaginary murder of his own father, threatening to actually kill his dog sounds like the most drab of offenses Especially on account of that coming into play later.
  - pdpi 2y ago
    Your “trying to frame a man” is their “trying to get him to confess to something he did”. It’s intellectually lazy on their part to jump to that conclusion without any sort of due diligence, but it’s not necessarily evil per se. Threatening to kill the dog is just plain cruel.
    - tolerance 2y ago
      I’ll try to keep this in mind in case you and I cross paths while I have the upper hand and I happen to be feeling an intellectually lazy sort of way. Whatever happens shouldn’t be attributed to malice. I won’t hurt your pets. My superiors ought to award me for it. I was just being stupid.
    - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
      > Your “trying to frame a man” is their “trying to get him to confess to something he did”. This is not a valid activity. Either you have proof or you don’t. A proper hardened criminal will never confess. If you have a confession, it’s >70% chance for perversion of justice: A terrorist will confess because they want fame In Russia you pay someone to ‘confess’ for your crime and go to prison instead of you. The naive, mentally infirm will confess, often to things they didn’t do. Or you managed to torture a confession out of someone, like they did here. Confessions lead straight to Spanish Inquisition type of justice

Blackthorn 2y ago

Cops routinely kill dogs as a matter of course, and say whatever they want to the arrested. Personal consequences for it are laughable, especially in the current political climate.

Natsu 2y ago
Pets are considered mere property damage by the law. I think that's pretty out of line with how most pet owners would feel about anyone hurting their pets.
- nimbius 2y ago
  well, that depends. your pet? just property. harm or kill a police dog however? youll do 45 years in prison because thats not property, its a "K-9 cop" https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/man-who-killed-police-dog-gets-45-years-in-prison/ https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/man-who-killed-police... double standards like this are how Rome burned.
  - Natsu 2y ago
    I don't mind that being the punishment there so much as I mind that not being the punishment for someone who murders my pet.
  - nindalf 2y ago
    Anything someone doesn’t like becomes a reason Rome burned. Water pipes made of lead? Rome burned. Invasions by barbarian tribes that I’m going to liken to modern immigration to push my anti-immigration stance? Rome burned. Adoption of Christianity by Theodosius in 395AD? Believe it or not, Rome burned in 410AD. “Double standards”? Rome burned. This only works on people who’ve never opened a history book in their lives. Why would you try it here, where people are much more likely to be familiar with Roman history?
    - faggotbreath 2y ago
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