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Windows has far worse. Injecting code into other processes is routine and almost impossible to get rid of.

by saagarjha 2y ago

IcyWindows 2y ago
I've never heard of that from store apps
- tokinonagare 2y ago
  The store which doesn't even provide one of the most useful Microsoft product (Visual Studio)?
  - virtue3 2y ago
    Yeah. That really doesn’t need to be from the store. I really hate going through the Apple Store to download Xcode. We all know how to download software. I’d rather go through a dev portal than a consumer portal. YMMV
    - galad87 2y ago
      Xcode can be downloaded from developer.apple.com too, it's not an App Store exclusive.
    - nier 2y ago
      Command line: https://github.com/XcodesOrg/xcodes https://github.com/XcodesOrg/xcodes GUI: https://github.com/XcodesOrg/XcodesApp https://github.com/XcodesOrg/XcodesApp
    - vetinari 2y ago
      > I’d rather go through a dev portal than a consumer portal. You actually can, alongside with conmand line tools, additional xcode utils, debug kernels et cetera.
larodi 2y ago
Readers here are all very likely to appreciate some links alongside statements, cause really this is a sensitive topic. Both statements need certain context as it seems it’s not the universal understanding of what goes on and how often.
- davidczech 2y ago
  SetWindowsHookEx is a blast.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  Not sure it can be proven with citations but it's well known that process injection is widely used on Windows. GPU drivers are known to do it. Utilities have historically often injected code into Explorer. Raymond Chen has written in the past about this problem and how hard it made it to evolve the platform.
  - ori_b 2y ago
    > Raymond Chen has written in the past about this problem That would be a citation. Do you have a link?
    - Rexxar 2y ago
      You install tortoiseSVN or something similar, look at explorer.exe process or any process that use a standard "Open File" widget, and you will see some dll from the utility loaded by the process. (Easy to see with process explorer from sysinternals)
      - iggldiggl 2y ago
        I think tortoiseSVN and consorts are "just" a shell extension, though, which is an officially supported concept, even if that means that potentially any random software using the standard file dialogues ends up loading your DLL, too.
    - jasomill 2y ago

Windows has far worse. Injecting code into other processes is routine and almost impossible to get rid of.

IcyWindows 2y ago

I've never heard of that from store apps

tokinonagare 2y ago
The store which doesn't even provide one of the most useful Microsoft product (Visual Studio)?
- virtue3 2y ago
  Yeah. That really doesn’t need to be from the store. I really hate going through the Apple Store to download Xcode. We all know how to download software. I’d rather go through a dev portal than a consumer portal. YMMV
  - galad87 2y ago
    Xcode can be downloaded from developer.apple.com too, it's not an App Store exclusive.
  - nier 2y ago
    Command line: https://github.com/XcodesOrg/xcodes https://github.com/XcodesOrg/xcodes GUI: https://github.com/XcodesOrg/XcodesApp https://github.com/XcodesOrg/XcodesApp
  - vetinari 2y ago
    > I’d rather go through a dev portal than a consumer portal. You actually can, alongside with conmand line tools, additional xcode utils, debug kernels et cetera.

larodi 2y ago

Readers here are all very likely to appreciate some links alongside statements, cause really this is a sensitive topic. Both statements need certain context as it seems it’s not the universal understanding of what goes on and how often.

davidczech 2y ago
SetWindowsHookEx is a blast.
mike_hearn 2y ago
Not sure it can be proven with citations but it's well known that process injection is widely used on Windows. GPU drivers are known to do it. Utilities have historically often injected code into Explorer. Raymond Chen has written in the past about this problem and how hard it made it to evolve the platform.
- ori_b 2y ago
  > Raymond Chen has written in the past about this problem That would be a citation. Do you have a link?
  - Rexxar 2y ago
    You install tortoiseSVN or something similar, look at explorer.exe process or any process that use a standard "Open File" widget, and you will see some dll from the utility loaded by the process. (Easy to see with process explorer from sysinternals)
    - iggldiggl 2y ago
      I think tortoiseSVN and consorts are "just" a shell extension, though, which is an officially supported concept, even if that means that potentially any random software using the standard file dialogues ends up loading your DLL, too.
  - jasomill 2y ago