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CEO of a (different) Canadian crypto company here. Two things are simultaneously true in Canada right now: 1) the government has become unwilling/unable to act

by cal5k 2y ago

CEO of a (different) Canadian crypto company here. Two things are simultaneously true in Canada right now: 1) the government has become unwilling/unable to actually keep repeat violent offenders in jail (and has totally failed to prevent them from acquiring illegal firearms), and 2) the law essentially outlaws the use of any tools (firearms, pepper spray, knives) for the express purpose of self-defense. It's functionally impossible to get a concealed carry permit in Canada. They just don't issue them, even if you have a restricted firearms license, even if you're a high-profile individual, and even if there's an immediate threat to your life. You have to rely on police and, if you can afford them, expensive private security who probably can't carry a firearm either. I should note that the kidnappers in this case (plural) were all armed. The politicians, of course, are protected by the armed Parliamentary Protective Service. They just don't believe you deserve similar protection.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Huh, violent crime in general is up [1]. [1] https://thehub.ca/2024/09/21/violent-crime-has-seen-the-most-increase-30-percent-of-all-crime-categories-in-the-past-decade/ https://thehub.ca/2024/09/21/violent-crime-has-seen-the-most...
- mosselman 2y ago
  The article claims violent crime is up 30% over the last decade. An important note the article only mentions in the subtitle is that this is recorded crime. So recording might have gotten better/loose or the methodology is super stable and violent crime exactly as it was defined 10 years ago is up. This seems unlikely, but plausible. From the article though: “The top violent crimes in 2023 were assault not using weapons or resulting harm, uttering threats, and assault employing weapons or resulting in harm.” To me the recording of “uttering threats” pops out as something that would easily change depending on society’s sensitivities. I am not saying violent crime isn’t up. These are just some thoughts that I wish were addressed in the article. The article doesn’t go into any of the recording methods and possible changes in what is categorised as a certain type of crime that could also impact the stats.
bugtodiffer 2y ago
Your Argument is: if more good people had guns this wouldn't have happened? This is such an American take. > The politicians, of course, are protected by the armed Parliamentary Protective Service. They just don't believe you deserve similar protection. What are you talking about. A gun is not at all even close to anything regarding trained professional lifeguards. Wtf? You Imagine you alone with a AR-15 vs 5 terrorists with AK's and you win, right? Your logic is very flawed. I bet you I know how the robbers got the guns. From their fucking neighbors selling them at Walmart, legally. More accidents and bad things happen with guns, by a ton, than your imaginary hero self-defense stories.
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- kaliqt 2y ago
  That is factually incorrect. It is 1. A deterrent and 2. Accidents are just a result of poor training and 3. The amount of defensive gun use is exceptional, it does not get reported on purpose due to state propaganda in Canada, America, and so on. Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement.
  - LeafItAlone 2y ago
    >Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement. I generally disagree with your other bullets points, but this statement is so absurdly inaccurate I feel the need to call it out explicitly. It is absolutely not true that all concealed carry holder fit this description. Not even a majority of the concealed carry holders that I know do. It is, quite honestly, a fantasy. (I am generally pro-gun rights combined with smart gun restrictions laws)
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
      You are likely right, not all concealed carry permit holders practice, but cops practice even less, and generally are worse-trained to carry a firearm. Instead of training in the legality of use of force, and to hit a target with a bullet, like most CCP holders get, cops get training that everyone is a potential enemy, and to spray and pray first, ask questions later. Considering they're essentially immune to going to prison when this goes poorly, the result is often bad.
sndslikeseattle 2y ago
Sounds like Seattle, the police cannot chase criminals who steal cars, use them to brake into businesses and then drive off with the ATM in the back. The last is so left there that they are not allowed to chase them. On top of the homeless craziness everywhere.
- 93po 2y ago
  this is some weird conservative talking point and isn't true. here's a news article showing SPD chasing a stolen car just months ago: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-chase-truck-down-i-5-seattle/4KTIKAFWPVGW3LOQRVTMIOAEHY/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-chase-truck-down-i-5... I'm sure there are more recent examples too the event you're likely referring to is a cop that pursued without authorization and was reprimanded. this is a good thing, cops should get permission before going on a wild car chase
  - rightblueman 2y ago
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  - RaftPeople 2y ago
    > this is some weird conservative talking point and isn't true. here's a news article showing SPD chasing a stolen car just months ago: The poster you responded to was correct until June 2024 and you're correct after June 2024, here are the details (I live in Seattle): Law passed in 2021 restricted chases to people suspected of: 1-Violent offense 2-Sex offense 3-Domestic violence assault 4-Vehicular assault 5-DUI 6-Escape from prison/jail That law was rolled back in June of 2024 to allow pursuit if there is reasonable suspicion of violating the law. The link you provided is from Sep 2024, after the law changed.
    - 93po 2y ago
      Sure, that's fair. To be clear that's a Washington state law, not a Seattle thing.

by cal5k 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Huh, violent crime in general is up [1]. [1] https://thehub.ca/2024/09/21/violent-crime-has-seen-the-most-increase-30-percent-of-all-crime-categories-in-the-past-decade/ https://thehub.ca/2024/09/21/violent-crime-has-seen-the-most...

mosselman 2y ago
The article claims violent crime is up 30% over the last decade. An important note the article only mentions in the subtitle is that this is recorded crime. So recording might have gotten better/loose or the methodology is super stable and violent crime exactly as it was defined 10 years ago is up. This seems unlikely, but plausible. From the article though: “The top violent crimes in 2023 were assault not using weapons or resulting harm, uttering threats, and assault employing weapons or resulting in harm.” To me the recording of “uttering threats” pops out as something that would easily change depending on society’s sensitivities. I am not saying violent crime isn’t up. These are just some thoughts that I wish were addressed in the article. The article doesn’t go into any of the recording methods and possible changes in what is categorised as a certain type of crime that could also impact the stats.

bugtodiffer 2y ago

Your Argument is: if more good people had guns this wouldn't have happened? This is such an American take. > The politicians, of course, are protected by the armed Parliamentary Protective Service. They just don't believe you deserve similar protection. What are you talking about. A gun is not at all even close to anything regarding trained professional lifeguards. Wtf? You Imagine you alone with a AR-15 vs 5 terrorists with AK's and you win, right? Your logic is very flawed. I bet you I know how the robbers got the guns. From their fucking neighbors selling them at Walmart, legally. More accidents and bad things happen with guns, by a ton, than your imaginary hero self-defense stories.

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kaliqt 2y ago
That is factually incorrect. It is 1. A deterrent and 2. Accidents are just a result of poor training and 3. The amount of defensive gun use is exceptional, it does not get reported on purpose due to state propaganda in Canada, America, and so on. Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement.
- LeafItAlone 2y ago
  >Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement. I generally disagree with your other bullets points, but this statement is so absurdly inaccurate I feel the need to call it out explicitly. It is absolutely not true that all concealed carry holder fit this description. Not even a majority of the concealed carry holders that I know do. It is, quite honestly, a fantasy. (I am generally pro-gun rights combined with smart gun restrictions laws)
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    You are likely right, not all concealed carry permit holders practice, but cops practice even less, and generally are worse-trained to carry a firearm. Instead of training in the legality of use of force, and to hit a target with a bullet, like most CCP holders get, cops get training that everyone is a potential enemy, and to spray and pray first, ask questions later. Considering they're essentially immune to going to prison when this goes poorly, the result is often bad.

sndslikeseattle 2y ago

Sounds like Seattle, the police cannot chase criminals who steal cars, use them to brake into businesses and then drive off with the ATM in the back. The last is so left there that they are not allowed to chase them. On top of the homeless craziness everywhere.

93po 2y ago
this is some weird conservative talking point and isn't true. here's a news article showing SPD chasing a stolen car just months ago: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-chase-truck-down-i-5-seattle/4KTIKAFWPVGW3LOQRVTMIOAEHY/ https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/police-chase-truck-down-i-5... I'm sure there are more recent examples too the event you're likely referring to is a cop that pursued without authorization and was reprimanded. this is a good thing, cops should get permission before going on a wild car chase
- rightblueman 2y ago
  [dead]
- RaftPeople 2y ago
  > this is some weird conservative talking point and isn't true. here's a news article showing SPD chasing a stolen car just months ago: The poster you responded to was correct until June 2024 and you're correct after June 2024, here are the details (I live in Seattle): Law passed in 2021 restricted chases to people suspected of: 1-Violent offense 2-Sex offense 3-Domestic violence assault 4-Vehicular assault 5-DUI 6-Escape from prison/jail That law was rolled back in June of 2024 to allow pursuit if there is reasonable suspicion of violating the law. The link you provided is from Sep 2024, after the law changed.
  - 93po 2y ago
    Sure, that's fair. To be clear that's a Washington state law, not a Seattle thing.