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Also the Democrat's main strategy seems to have been yell "orange man bad," over and over, while catering to the concerns of their partisan core of well-off whi

by tivert 2y ago

Also the Democrat's main strategy seems to have been yell "orange man bad," over and over, while catering to the concerns of their partisan core of well-off white liberals. I think they thought Trump was a wedge that would hand them a narrow victory without having to adapt very much.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
The Republicans yelled “black woman bad” over and over again and it seemed to work for them, but then they were always catering to mostly older white guys.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  The way the Republicans all started to pronounce her name as Kuh-mul-ah instead of the correct Ka-ma-la was particularly grotesque to me.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    Why? Is there a word play I don't understand? I pronounce Biden as bidet+n.
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      It's just a technique to make her sound more other and less likable. Same with Trump's habit of stressing "Barack Hussein Obama" and more broadly the insulting nicknames he had (has?) for people.
      - rightbyte 2y ago
        "Sleepy Joe" and I think he had an epithet for Hillary too. Edit: Crooked? But ye, I think I agree, that pronouncing non WASP names wrong on purpose is kinda cheap.
        FredPret 2y ago
        I remember John Oliver making endless amounts of fun of Trump’s original family name Drumpf.
        Sabinus 2y ago
        I could not care less what a comedian calls Trump, John Oliver isn't in a position of trust and power, leading the nation, supposedly our best and brightest.
        FredPret 2y ago
        Perhaps not, but this attitude is absolutely endemic on the left. “Party of kindness” until you step out of line. Then… vitriol, threats, getting canceled.
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        > Perhaps not, but this attitude is absolutely endemic on the left. Oh come off it, you just elected a guy who thought it was good taste to physically mock a disabled journalist for crying out loud. You guys have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on if you are trying to favorably compare "attitudes" with the left.
        FredPret 2y ago
        (I'm not a US voter, but we have the same dynamic up here in Canada) I think it's absolutely horrendous to: - make fun of a disabled person - make fun of someone for having an immigrant surname, though less so - cancel someone because they don't toe the line exactly on your very detailed and opinionated ideology (reminds me of Christianity a couple of decades ago) - call someone a Nazi when they aren't one - call someone a communist when they aren't one Next, it must be noted that zero percent of Trump's appeal lies in his social sense of kindness. People vote for him for other reasons; certainly not because he's a nice guy. For the left, a social sense of kindness is their entire shtick. For a long time now, we on the center and on the right felt little kindness or good intentions coming from the left, only authoritarian diktats and an oppressive social pressure to conform-or-fuck-off. I do hope the decline of both religion and wokeism means we can all be a bit more broadminded and centered from here on out.
  - sukhavati 2y ago
    I've seen Harris pronounce her name a variety of different ways... One of the more compelling reasons behind throwing accusations of wrongspeak when folks pronounce her name one way or another is that "kuh-mul-ah" sounds like "burn her" and rhymes with "suck on it" in Spanish, which might have triggered this to begin with.
tempestn 2y ago
Literally the only people I have ever seen use the phrase "orange man bad" are Trump supporters attacking Democrats. The more crass among Trump's opponents certainly made fun of his orange makeup somethings, but claiming that's all that was talked about is quite a strawman; there are many substantive criticisms of Trump's behavior and platform.
- Sammi 2y ago
  They do say trump and republicans are racist all the time. Meanwhile latino voters went towards trump. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/ https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-...
- tivert 2y ago
  > Literally the only people I have ever seen use the phrase "orange man bad" are Trump supporters attacking Democrats. That's just you. I picked the phrase up from the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/search?dropmab=false&lang=en&query=%22orange%20man%20bad%22&sort=newest https://www.nytimes.com/search?dropmab=false&lang=en&query=%... It's a really apt term to describe the kind of obsessive attacks on Trump's person, often as a substitute for any kind of positive policy message (as in, Harris will do X, Y, and Z), especially ones that would resonate outside the Democratic bubble. For a notable example, see this pithy message from the NY Times Editorial Board: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/opinion/vote-harris-2024-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/opinion/vote-... (tl;dr: "You should vote for Harris because Trump is bad." What will Harris do? Who knows.).
  - tempestn 2y ago
    Yes, plenty of people argue Trump is bad. But the phrase "orange man bad" suggests that criticisms of Trump's character are superficial, when in reality they are based on his behavior and statements.
    - tivert 2y ago
      > But the phrase "orange man bad" suggests that criticisms of Trump's character are superficial, when in reality they are based on his behavior and statements. No to me. To me, "orange man bad" suggests obsession, myopia, and a failure to realize criticizing Trump does not make the case for any alternative.

by tivert 2y ago

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

The Republicans yelled “black woman bad” over and over again and it seemed to work for them, but then they were always catering to mostly older white guys.

Sabinus 2y ago
The way the Republicans all started to pronounce her name as Kuh-mul-ah instead of the correct Ka-ma-la was particularly grotesque to me.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  Why? Is there a word play I don't understand? I pronounce Biden as bidet+n.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    It's just a technique to make her sound more other and less likable. Same with Trump's habit of stressing "Barack Hussein Obama" and more broadly the insulting nicknames he had (has?) for people.
    - rightbyte 2y ago
      "Sleepy Joe" and I think he had an epithet for Hillary too. Edit: Crooked? But ye, I think I agree, that pronouncing non WASP names wrong on purpose is kinda cheap.
      - FredPret 2y ago
        I remember John Oliver making endless amounts of fun of Trump’s original family name Drumpf.
        Sabinus 2y ago
        I could not care less what a comedian calls Trump, John Oliver isn't in a position of trust and power, leading the nation, supposedly our best and brightest.
        FredPret 2y ago
        Perhaps not, but this attitude is absolutely endemic on the left. “Party of kindness” until you step out of line. Then… vitriol, threats, getting canceled.
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        > Perhaps not, but this attitude is absolutely endemic on the left. Oh come off it, you just elected a guy who thought it was good taste to physically mock a disabled journalist for crying out loud. You guys have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on if you are trying to favorably compare "attitudes" with the left.
        FredPret 2y ago
        (I'm not a US voter, but we have the same dynamic up here in Canada) I think it's absolutely horrendous to: - make fun of a disabled person - make fun of someone for having an immigrant surname, though less so - cancel someone because they don't toe the line exactly on your very detailed and opinionated ideology (reminds me of Christianity a couple of decades ago) - call someone a Nazi when they aren't one - call someone a communist when they aren't one Next, it must be noted that zero percent of Trump's appeal lies in his social sense of kindness. People vote for him for other reasons; certainly not because he's a nice guy. For the left, a social sense of kindness is their entire shtick. For a long time now, we on the center and on the right felt little kindness or good intentions coming from the left, only authoritarian diktats and an oppressive social pressure to conform-or-fuck-off. I do hope the decline of both religion and wokeism means we can all be a bit more broadminded and centered from here on out.
- sukhavati 2y ago
  I've seen Harris pronounce her name a variety of different ways... One of the more compelling reasons behind throwing accusations of wrongspeak when folks pronounce her name one way or another is that "kuh-mul-ah" sounds like "burn her" and rhymes with "suck on it" in Spanish, which might have triggered this to begin with.

tempestn 2y ago

Literally the only people I have ever seen use the phrase "orange man bad" are Trump supporters attacking Democrats. The more crass among Trump's opponents certainly made fun of his orange makeup somethings, but claiming that's all that was talked about is quite a strawman; there are many substantive criticisms of Trump's behavior and platform.

Sammi 2y ago
They do say trump and republicans are racist all the time. Meanwhile latino voters went towards trump. https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/ https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-...
tivert 2y ago
> Literally the only people I have ever seen use the phrase "orange man bad" are Trump supporters attacking Democrats. That's just you. I picked the phrase up from the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/search?dropmab=false&lang=en&query=%22orange%20man%20bad%22&sort=newest https://www.nytimes.com/search?dropmab=false&lang=en&query=%... It's a really apt term to describe the kind of obsessive attacks on Trump's person, often as a substitute for any kind of positive policy message (as in, Harris will do X, Y, and Z), especially ones that would resonate outside the Democratic bubble. For a notable example, see this pithy message from the NY Times Editorial Board: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/opinion/vote-harris-2024-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/02/opinion/vote-... (tl;dr: "You should vote for Harris because Trump is bad." What will Harris do? Who knows.).
- tempestn 2y ago
  Yes, plenty of people argue Trump is bad. But the phrase "orange man bad" suggests that criticisms of Trump's character are superficial, when in reality they are based on his behavior and statements.
  - tivert 2y ago
    > But the phrase "orange man bad" suggests that criticisms of Trump's character are superficial, when in reality they are based on his behavior and statements. No to me. To me, "orange man bad" suggests obsession, myopia, and a failure to realize criticizing Trump does not make the case for any alternative.