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My two life-long democrat friends that voted for Trump just got tired of this shit , right here. They just don't believe it anymore. Even Andrew Cuomo admitted

by mp05 2y ago

My two life-long democrat friends that voted for Trump just got tired of this shit , right here. They just don't believe it anymore. Even Andrew Cuomo admitted that Trump was subject to lawfare in New York. But go on, don't ask questions or think critically.

saulpw 2y ago
I've listened to what he said, firsthand and frequently. He's deliberately divisive and uses racist and violent rhetoric whenever possible (even in the last week of the election). 8 years ago I was open to attacks against him being fearmongering and then I lived through 4 years of his presidency. Not everything people say about him is true, but the vast majority is. It is difficult to justify "got tired of this shit" as though it's not true, when a large number of his own former cabinet members AND his own former vice president refused to endorse him, saying that he is unfit for office. I mean, come on.
- mp05 2y ago
  > I mean, come on. Well when you put it like that. But really, it's interesting how this time around my entire Puerto Rican side of the family voted for Trump. All lifelong democrats too. These folks are the core of the country: Teamsters members, paraprofessionals, and mid-tier civil servants. They laughed at the joke about the pile of trash. They left Puerto Rico in the 60s for a reason. As much as you don't like to admit it, your idea of "divisive" and "racist" and "violent" is based on a subjective standard. It just is. A lot of people disagree or don't find it offensive enough to care. I can't stress this part enough; these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. This is all to try and point out that this is a great time for the Democrats of America to take a hard look in the mirror and realize that, if this guy is so bad, then how the hell did he win so convincingly? I'll give you a hint but it involves the fact that a lot of these demonized Trump voters are, indeed, very fine people that would give you the shirt of their backs if you needed it.
  - runako 2y ago
    > these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. Less than a third of Americans cast votes for Trump in this cycle.
    - cryptonector 2y ago
      Perhaps the same as last cycle. Those missing 15 million voters are really suggestive.
    - mp05 2y ago
      He won more votes than that other person who voted. I guess that's only the "majority" when it's convenient for the argument. So you may be technically correct but really, that's the worst kind of correct.
      - runako 2y ago
        No you're absolutely right. I was inartfully making a claim that voter apathy is a big thing, and as a result no winner can ever really claim to represent a majority of Americans. IIRC 2020 was the only election of modern times where any candidate garnered more support than "did not vote." Putting it clearly here: neither Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan garnered support of the majority of Americans. It's not a partisan argument I am making here. A form of government where a third or 40% of the governors routinely fail to exercise their duty has problems.
- lynx23 2y ago
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  - ncr100 2y ago
    Wow that's rude. Who is you, who are liberals, and outbursts suggests that the words that I as a liberal speak are dismissible as irrational, when they are not. Please don't do that. When Trump literally sexually abuses women, is convicted of it, repeatedly disparages the abused woman in public, And then I talk about it here on hacker News, how That an outburst? Please, the truth and the facts and the logic are pretty clear. This trump guy is racist and transphobic and misogynistic based on his past behavior. Anybody who supports the guy is encouraging the system which they are now electing him to manage to be racist transphobic and misogynistic. It's pretty simple and transitive logic.
    - stringfood 2y ago
      There wasn't any evidence in the conviction, it was all 25 year old hearsay...
      - mp05 2y ago
        I haven't followed it all that closely but didn't he end up being charged for libel/slander? That lady was a complete batshit lunatic. Just watch her interview with Anderson Cooper; it's objectively cringeworthy.
    - lynx23 2y ago
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ncr100 2y ago
Tragically your two lifelong Democrat friends are illogical. And now they are transitively racist misogynist and transphobic because they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. He was legally convicted of sexual misconduct with E Jene Carroll. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of guilty. The Democrat friends of yours who support that sexual abuser are now using United States budget to pay the salary for this abuser. Logically their hands are dirty now.
- Etherlord87 2y ago
  I was sure this comment is a parody but the last sentence doesn't quite fit. Either way, it is such mouth foaming of the wokespeople that fuels the right. For example: > they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. Not literally, no. There are so many layers of indirection, that you could as well say everyone using money pays a guy... Either way, this applies in the same extent to people who voted for Kamala Harris so I guess we can say from now on, that Kamala voters literally pay to enact misogynist and transphobic policies and views. Keep demonizing Trump voters, it will surely convince them to not vote Trump ;)(well they can't vote him on the 3rd term, but if you demonize them, they will sure continue voting against you).

by mp05 2y ago

saulpw 2y ago

I've listened to what he said, firsthand and frequently. He's deliberately divisive and uses racist and violent rhetoric whenever possible (even in the last week of the election). 8 years ago I was open to attacks against him being fearmongering and then I lived through 4 years of his presidency. Not everything people say about him is true, but the vast majority is. It is difficult to justify "got tired of this shit" as though it's not true, when a large number of his own former cabinet members AND his own former vice president refused to endorse him, saying that he is unfit for office. I mean, come on.

mp05 2y ago
> I mean, come on. Well when you put it like that. But really, it's interesting how this time around my entire Puerto Rican side of the family voted for Trump. All lifelong democrats too. These folks are the core of the country: Teamsters members, paraprofessionals, and mid-tier civil servants. They laughed at the joke about the pile of trash. They left Puerto Rico in the 60s for a reason. As much as you don't like to admit it, your idea of "divisive" and "racist" and "violent" is based on a subjective standard. It just is. A lot of people disagree or don't find it offensive enough to care. I can't stress this part enough; these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. This is all to try and point out that this is a great time for the Democrats of America to take a hard look in the mirror and realize that, if this guy is so bad, then how the hell did he win so convincingly? I'll give you a hint but it involves the fact that a lot of these demonized Trump voters are, indeed, very fine people that would give you the shirt of their backs if you needed it.
- runako 2y ago
  > these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. Less than a third of Americans cast votes for Trump in this cycle.
  - cryptonector 2y ago
    Perhaps the same as last cycle. Those missing 15 million voters are really suggestive.
  - mp05 2y ago
    He won more votes than that other person who voted. I guess that's only the "majority" when it's convenient for the argument. So you may be technically correct but really, that's the worst kind of correct.
    - runako 2y ago
      No you're absolutely right. I was inartfully making a claim that voter apathy is a big thing, and as a result no winner can ever really claim to represent a majority of Americans. IIRC 2020 was the only election of modern times where any candidate garnered more support than "did not vote." Putting it clearly here: neither Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan garnered support of the majority of Americans. It's not a partisan argument I am making here. A form of government where a third or 40% of the governors routinely fail to exercise their duty has problems.
lynx23 2y ago
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- ncr100 2y ago
  Wow that's rude. Who is you, who are liberals, and outbursts suggests that the words that I as a liberal speak are dismissible as irrational, when they are not. Please don't do that. When Trump literally sexually abuses women, is convicted of it, repeatedly disparages the abused woman in public, And then I talk about it here on hacker News, how That an outburst? Please, the truth and the facts and the logic are pretty clear. This trump guy is racist and transphobic and misogynistic based on his past behavior. Anybody who supports the guy is encouraging the system which they are now electing him to manage to be racist transphobic and misogynistic. It's pretty simple and transitive logic.
  - stringfood 2y ago
    There wasn't any evidence in the conviction, it was all 25 year old hearsay...
    - mp05 2y ago
      I haven't followed it all that closely but didn't he end up being charged for libel/slander? That lady was a complete batshit lunatic. Just watch her interview with Anderson Cooper; it's objectively cringeworthy.
  - lynx23 2y ago
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ncr100 2y ago

Tragically your two lifelong Democrat friends are illogical. And now they are transitively racist misogynist and transphobic because they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. He was legally convicted of sexual misconduct with E Jene Carroll. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of guilty. The Democrat friends of yours who support that sexual abuser are now using United States budget to pay the salary for this abuser. Logically their hands are dirty now.

Etherlord87 2y ago
I was sure this comment is a parody but the last sentence doesn't quite fit. Either way, it is such mouth foaming of the wokespeople that fuels the right. For example: > they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. Not literally, no. There are so many layers of indirection, that you could as well say everyone using money pays a guy... Either way, this applies in the same extent to people who voted for Kamala Harris so I guess we can say from now on, that Kamala voters literally pay to enact misogynist and transphobic policies and views. Keep demonizing Trump voters, it will surely convince them to not vote Trump ;)(well they can't vote him on the 3rd term, but if you demonize them, they will sure continue voting against you).