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> Most critical is the disappearance of dance. Have you looked at TikTok? It is full of young people performing incredibly complex dance moves.
by tarr11 2y ago
> Most critical is the disappearance of dance.
Have you looked at TikTok? It is full of young people performing incredibly complex dance moves.
- alsetmusic 2y agoSome teen dancing on a streaming service is very different from a venue charging admission and beverages for a couple hundred people spending an evening out.
- Loughla 2y agoStill incredibly isolated with the thin veil of being interactive because you get likes or whatever. We've traded social connection for micro-dopamine hits. And I don't think I'm being an old man shouting at clouds. I think it's genuinely worse.
- lmm 2y agoThat's what the old men shouting at clouds always think. "Social connection" and "micro-dopamine hits" are two different phrases for the same thing. Connections through social media apps can be every bit as deep and genuine as those made through standing in the same building.
- teractiveodular 2y agoIt's not particularly deep and genuine to double-tap to add a heart emoji to a video of a skimpily dressed complete stranger you "met" 5 seconds ago and will never see again unless Tiktok's algorithms think that would result in greater ad revenue.
- lmm 2y agoIt's exactly as deep and genuine as saying hi to a stranger in a bar (and if you think the barman is any less profit-oriented than the Tiktok algorithm you're naive) or whatever the back-in-your-day paradigm was.
- teractiveodular 2y agoIf you say hi to a stranger in a bar, you might end up in an interesting conversation, get laid, find a life partner, all sorts of things. Liking a booty shake video from some thirst trap influencer is exceedingly unlikely to result in any of these.
- lmm 2y agoLiking a video (and if all your videos are booty shakes from first trap influencers that says more about you than about the platform) might end you up in an interesting conversation, getting laid, finding a life partner, all sorts of things. Saying hi to a stranger in a bar is exceedingly unlikely to result in any of these.
- bowsamic 2y agoWhat? I’m sorry but this is just nonsense. There’s no way liking a video is more likely to result in those things than having a face to face interaction so someone
- lmm 2y agoA shallow interaction is unlikely to lead to something deeper but occasionally things line up and it becomes the start of a beautiful friendship. That's equally true on social media or AFK. Maybe introducing yourself in-person is slightly deeper than thumbs-upping someone's video, but by the same token the latter is a smaller step; you can always go with a full-sentence comment or a video response of your own if you want the slightly deeper interaction.
- bowsamic 2y agoI’m confused on how this isn’t just completely walking back on your previous point
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- watwut 2y agoExcept that TikTok dancing does not create those connections. It is just something that does not happen. Standarding in the same building does not create then either. People talking in groups and one-to-one, people meeting the same people regularly does. That is what dancing was.
- lmm 2y ago> Except that TikTok dancing does not create those connections. It is just something that does not happen. I've seen it happen, so it absolutely can. People have back-and-forth interactions, find regular partners, and form dance groups.
- swiftcoder 2y agoIf you are talking about connections between people who both create content on the network, sure - however, the vast majority of users only consume content.
- lmm 2y agoI've seen people start creating content because of a conversation they had on that kind of network.
- tivert 2y ago> That's what the old men shouting at clouds always think. And they're usually right. It's just that subsequent generations mainly see the new normal and forget. > "Social connection" and "micro-dopamine hits" are two different phrases for the same thing. No. It's like the difference between a piece of good chocolate cake and some sugar cubes. > Connections through social media apps can be every bit as deep and genuine as those made through standing in the same building. It's possible, but far less likely.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoCan be. But it's like a long distance relationship. We already know from decades of offline phenomenon that constant physical connect is a must for a healthy, strong connection. Yes, some people have the discipline to make it work. Most don't. And that's been my experience online. Lots of neat niche connections with people I'd never meet IRL. But you'd be surprised how quickly that connect can sever when that person leaves the community, even if you keep trying to reach out. But i don't know, maybe this gen Z figured out something this boomer Millenial and other older generations couldn't. I'm open to being wrong.
- jprete 2y agoThe GP was clearly talking about dancing as a social activity. TikTok dancing isn't social, it's a performance for an invisible audience.
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- DoingIsLearning 2y ago> isn't social, it's a performance for an invisible audience. I know what you wrote is fairly obvious but the wording really resonated with how I feel about social media platforms but couldn't quite word it so well.
- georgeecollins 2y agoWhen I was young (a long long time ago), my family would go up to stay at a ranch in Sierra County California. They had almost no TV or radio reception there -- you still can't get a cell signal at my cousins house. They would have a Friday night square dance that was like a school dance that teens actually attended and danced together, without much irony. Coming from San Francisco it seemed a little weird, even then. It seems so old fashioned now but I really treasure that I got to participate in what people used to do on the western frontier of the US.
- devilbunny 2y agoDancing is fun. My wife was maid of honor (we weren't married yet) at her college roommate's wedding. I danced with several of their friends at the reception; one taught me to two-step (it was in San Antonio). I taught her basic swing. There was exactly zero romantic involvement; I was there with my girlfriend, for heaven's sake. But she was nice, she was fun, and we just chatted as we went through the dances. Got a couple of her funny college stories out of that. And that's what it's about: having an excuse to be physically close to someone else, doing an enjoyable activity that rewards skill, and to gossip a little. We, like all apes, are social animals. We're happier when we do that.
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- tessierashpool9 2y agoit looks more like complex twitching or precise execution of an acrobatic program but lacking the soul which would qualify it as dancing. more like little robots trying to dance.
- ryandrake 2y agoI think the "complex dance moves" comment was sarcasm. It often doesn't come across clearly in written forum posts.
- lenkite 2y agoTikTok is now banned.