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Space based technology has massive impact on every day life. From GPS to weather prediction to communications, space infrastructure is critical to modern life.

by shkkmo 2y ago

Space based technology has massive impact on every day life. From GPS to weather prediction to communications, space infrastructure is critical to modern life. Launch costs significantly reduce what we can build in space and what research we co do there. Decreasing launch costs makes our research funding more effective and reduces the capital costs and projected profit margins needed to build space based infrastructure. SpaceX has already enabled significant economic growth and innovation with the launch cost reductions brought by the various falcon rockets and their reusability. If Starship can accomplish it's reusability goals, an ever greater reduction of launch costs is possible. This would jump start an even bigger space industry boom than the one we are in today.

righthand 2y ago
None of that listed technology comes from building reusable rockets. The rest of your statement only indicates that Starship is indeed a fat pig when it comes to budget. This “boom” is all private for profit companies spending investment money. Not a “boom” in the sense that any man can get involved and benefit in the tangible future. Pretending that everyone is going to be better off because of this space dream delusion doesn’t really answer my question.
- shkkmo 2y ago
  > None of that listed technology comes from building reusable rockets. Lower launch costs are a force multiplier for all of those technologies and more. > This “boom” is all private for profit companies spending investment money. Not a “boom” in the sense that any man can get involved and benefit in the tangible future. It sounds like your issue is more with capitalism than space... But lower launch costs decrease the capital needed to particpate is space, so you point still doesn't make sense. > Pretending that everyone is going to be better off because of this space dream delusion doesn’t really answer my question. Everyone is already better off because of the soace dream. You don't seem to actually want an answer to your question.
  - righthand 2y ago
    Please explain to me how lower launch costs will help weather prediction. Please give me the benefit of the doubt and help me understand what lower launch costs help with the average american today. I am asking an honest question to a different poster who originally indicated that the benefits were easily imaginable. > We can easily imagine the things it will make possible. I am trying to imagine how building reusable rockets leads to improving GPS and weather systems that decades of other fields that use those technologies couldn’t improve on already. What is this special low cost rocket sauce that enables it? I can see the blind Marvel-movie-like fandom of “but it’s science” and “its our destiny” and “imagine all the wonderful things but don’t let me tell you ;)” but I do not see the actual details of what this will enable besides allowing Musk et al to hollow out planets for mining operations for their own gain. Why would I want to answer my own question when I don’t understand what the original poster was suggesting? You seem at a loss for these easily imaginable ideas.
    - laverya 2y ago
      > Please explain to me how lower launch costs will help weather prediction. Cheaper launch means more weather satellites covering more spectrum from more angles than otherwise. > What is this special low cost rocket sauce that enables it? Everything is dependent on cost. If we had a medicine that gave an extra 10 years of healthy life to everyone but cost $100,000,000 per person, it would be utterly infeasible to give to the masses. If it cost $100,000 - now that's an easy decision. If something is cheap you can do more of it. > I am trying to imagine how building reusable rockets leads to improving GPS GPS satellites are incredibly expensive because they need to be light enough to fit in existing heavy lift launchers and reliable enough to last for 20+ years. Cheaper, heavier, more frequent launch means you can dramatically reduce the cost per satellite in a constellation, and thus send up more. Having more GPS satellites reduces time to first fix, improves coverage in adverse environments (cities in particular) and improves accuracy.
      - righthand 2y ago
        Okay, now you want to put more satellites in the sky, for weather and gps. Is there some evidence that what we have now is not enough or wouldn’t ever be replaced? I cannot find anything online about that. So I still do not see how this will necessarily improve my daily life as the weather information I have now is already good.

by shkkmo 2y ago

righthand 2y ago

None of that listed technology comes from building reusable rockets. The rest of your statement only indicates that Starship is indeed a fat pig when it comes to budget. This “boom” is all private for profit companies spending investment money. Not a “boom” in the sense that any man can get involved and benefit in the tangible future. Pretending that everyone is going to be better off because of this space dream delusion doesn’t really answer my question.

shkkmo 2y ago
> None of that listed technology comes from building reusable rockets. Lower launch costs are a force multiplier for all of those technologies and more. > This “boom” is all private for profit companies spending investment money. Not a “boom” in the sense that any man can get involved and benefit in the tangible future. It sounds like your issue is more with capitalism than space... But lower launch costs decrease the capital needed to particpate is space, so you point still doesn't make sense. > Pretending that everyone is going to be better off because of this space dream delusion doesn’t really answer my question. Everyone is already better off because of the soace dream. You don't seem to actually want an answer to your question.
- righthand 2y ago
  Please explain to me how lower launch costs will help weather prediction. Please give me the benefit of the doubt and help me understand what lower launch costs help with the average american today. I am asking an honest question to a different poster who originally indicated that the benefits were easily imaginable. > We can easily imagine the things it will make possible. I am trying to imagine how building reusable rockets leads to improving GPS and weather systems that decades of other fields that use those technologies couldn’t improve on already. What is this special low cost rocket sauce that enables it? I can see the blind Marvel-movie-like fandom of “but it’s science” and “its our destiny” and “imagine all the wonderful things but don’t let me tell you ;)” but I do not see the actual details of what this will enable besides allowing Musk et al to hollow out planets for mining operations for their own gain. Why would I want to answer my own question when I don’t understand what the original poster was suggesting? You seem at a loss for these easily imaginable ideas.
  - laverya 2y ago
    > Please explain to me how lower launch costs will help weather prediction. Cheaper launch means more weather satellites covering more spectrum from more angles than otherwise. > What is this special low cost rocket sauce that enables it? Everything is dependent on cost. If we had a medicine that gave an extra 10 years of healthy life to everyone but cost $100,000,000 per person, it would be utterly infeasible to give to the masses. If it cost $100,000 - now that's an easy decision. If something is cheap you can do more of it. > I am trying to imagine how building reusable rockets leads to improving GPS GPS satellites are incredibly expensive because they need to be light enough to fit in existing heavy lift launchers and reliable enough to last for 20+ years. Cheaper, heavier, more frequent launch means you can dramatically reduce the cost per satellite in a constellation, and thus send up more. Having more GPS satellites reduces time to first fix, improves coverage in adverse environments (cities in particular) and improves accuracy.
    - righthand 2y ago
      Okay, now you want to put more satellites in the sky, for weather and gps. Is there some evidence that what we have now is not enough or wouldn’t ever be replaced? I cannot find anything online about that. So I still do not see how this will necessarily improve my daily life as the weather information I have now is already good.