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We need universal basic income.

• stingrae 2y ago
  that would lead to more inflation.
  • r2_pilot 2y ago
    Ok so then you change economic models away from capitalism, and towards a post-money economy. There are plenty of ways to do it, it merely requires the complete and total cooperation of everyone at once, or a sufficient transition period.
    • TimTheTinker 2y ago
      > complete and total cooperation of everyone at once, or a sufficient transition period That is almost the definition of totalitarianism. That's how hundreds of millions of people died (either by execution, war, work camps, or starvation[0]) as dictators pursued Marxist ideals during the 20th century. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
      • r2_pilot 2y ago
        Oh, I'm so glad you brought that up! Considering your own sources, seems like that work of scholarship may have not been an entirely impartial view. Particularly, from your own wiki link, >Margolin and Werth felt that Courtois was "obsessed" with arriving at a total of 100 million killed, which resulted in "sloppy and biased scholarship",[38] faulted him for exaggerating death tolls in specific countries,[6][39]: 194 [40]: 123 I appreciate your deep dive into these scholastic studies. I always appreciate learning new things.
        • TimTheTinker 2y ago
          You may disagree with that particular source, but your remark glosses over the grim reality: a heck of a lot of people died under socialism, more than the entire body count arising from World War 2. When an idea has resulted in the deaths of a significant portion of the world's population at the time, it's healthy to regard it (and similar ideas) with a bit of skepticism.
          • r2_pilot 2y ago
            >You may disagree with that particular source, but your remark glosses over the grim reality: a heck of a lot of people died under socialism, more than the entire body count arising from World War 2. I'm specifically trying to avoid the whole "no true Scottsman" argument by saying these aren't necessarily examples of how an actually functional communism economy would be, but I do wish you could be consistent with your terminology as socialism and communism are distinctly different ideas. I'd also like to emphasize the mild sarcasm when I used words such as "merely" and "complete and total cooperation",to close out this conversation which I have little more to contribute to.
            • TimTheTinker 2y ago
              Sounds like this is academic to you; it's visceral to me. "If only every single person would..." is not how you create policy where people are actually free.
              • r2_pilot 2y ago
                I must have missed the part where, at birth, I signed the social contract saying that I approve of the governance and monetary policy. That, or I'm not free.
                • TimTheTinker 2y ago
                  You're still free to leave, unlike citizens under socialism. (Seriously, have you read about all the escape attempts over the Berlin Wall?)
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      • daveguy 2y ago
        Well, we did just elect a totalitarian so that's good, right?
        • TimTheTinker 2y ago
          Comparing Trump to a 20th century totalitarian just seems rich. It was the liberals who wanted to put unvaccinated people in internment camps and/or prison in 2022.
  • gitremote 2y ago
    People talk about "inflation" and the "economy", but it's a proxy for what they really care about, not being able to afford groceries. Universal basic income address the real problem.
    • valval 2y ago
      Redistributing wealth doesn’t seem like a good or moral solution for anything.