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Even if you support his economic approach, for example, wouldn't his criminal behaviour, or his racist and transphobic views disqualify him? One does not wash a

Even if you support his economic approach, for example, wouldn't his criminal behaviour, or his racist and transphobic views disqualify him? One does not wash away the other.

pm90 2y ago
The American people have clearly spoken that those are not in fact disqualifying.
- jimmydoe 2y ago
  why would any one care? a world leader will have blood on his hands, one way or another
  - fourside 2y ago
    Because there’s varying degrees of corruption. If you had to choose between living under American leadership vs North Korean, wouldn’t you have a preference or are they the same because neither is perfect?
  - igetspam 2y ago
    But should they start with sexual assault on their hands?
mp05 2y ago
My two life-long democrat friends that voted for Trump just got tired of this shit , right here. They just don't believe it anymore. Even Andrew Cuomo admitted that Trump was subject to lawfare in New York. But go on, don't ask questions or think critically.
- saulpw 2y ago
  I've listened to what he said, firsthand and frequently. He's deliberately divisive and uses racist and violent rhetoric whenever possible (even in the last week of the election). 8 years ago I was open to attacks against him being fearmongering and then I lived through 4 years of his presidency. Not everything people say about him is true, but the vast majority is. It is difficult to justify "got tired of this shit" as though it's not true, when a large number of his own former cabinet members AND his own former vice president refused to endorse him, saying that he is unfit for office. I mean, come on.
  - mp05 2y ago
    > I mean, come on. Well when you put it like that. But really, it's interesting how this time around my entire Puerto Rican side of the family voted for Trump. All lifelong democrats too. These folks are the core of the country: Teamsters members, paraprofessionals, and mid-tier civil servants. They laughed at the joke about the pile of trash. They left Puerto Rico in the 60s for a reason. As much as you don't like to admit it, your idea of "divisive" and "racist" and "violent" is based on a subjective standard. It just is. A lot of people disagree or don't find it offensive enough to care. I can't stress this part enough; these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. This is all to try and point out that this is a great time for the Democrats of America to take a hard look in the mirror and realize that, if this guy is so bad, then how the hell did he win so convincingly? I'll give you a hint but it involves the fact that a lot of these demonized Trump voters are, indeed, very fine people that would give you the shirt of their backs if you needed it.
    - runako 2y ago
      > these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. Less than a third of Americans cast votes for Trump in this cycle.
      - cryptonector 2y ago
        Perhaps the same as last cycle. Those missing 15 million voters are really suggestive.
      - mp05 2y ago
        He won more votes than that other person who voted. I guess that's only the "majority" when it's convenient for the argument. So you may be technically correct but really, that's the worst kind of correct.
        runako 2y ago
        No you're absolutely right. I was inartfully making a claim that voter apathy is a big thing, and as a result no winner can ever really claim to represent a majority of Americans. IIRC 2020 was the only election of modern times where any candidate garnered more support than "did not vote." Putting it clearly here: neither Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan garnered support of the majority of Americans. It's not a partisan argument I am making here. A form of government where a third or 40% of the governors routinely fail to exercise their duty has problems.
- ncr100 2y ago
  Tragically your two lifelong Democrat friends are illogical. And now they are transitively racist misogynist and transphobic because they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. He was legally convicted of sexual misconduct with E Jene Carroll. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of guilty. The Democrat friends of yours who support that sexual abuser are now using United States budget to pay the salary for this abuser. Logically their hands are dirty now.
  - Etherlord87 2y ago
    I was sure this comment is a parody but the last sentence doesn't quite fit. Either way, it is such mouth foaming of the wokespeople that fuels the right. For example: > they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. Not literally, no. There are so many layers of indirection, that you could as well say everyone using money pays a guy... Either way, this applies in the same extent to people who voted for Kamala Harris so I guess we can say from now on, that Kamala voters literally pay to enact misogynist and transphobic policies and views. Keep demonizing Trump voters, it will surely convince them to not vote Trump ;)(well they can't vote him on the 3rd term, but if you demonize them, they will sure continue voting against you).
chmod775 2y ago
I'd expect plenty of people voted Trump just to spite this kind of rhetoric.
- chrishare 2y ago
  What rhetoric is that? He's a felon. He questioned Harris' racial identity during the campaign. He claimed at numerous rallies that boys would come home from school as girls without their parents knowledge.
  - raincom 2y ago
    Felon, as long as appeal courts don't overturn that felony verdict.
  - chmod775 2y ago
    > What rhetoric is that? It is rhetoric that tries to paint the picture that his supporters must be racist and transphobic, or at the very least tries to create a chilling effect where people are afraid to come out in his support for fear of being labelled as such. > He questioned Harris' racial identity during the campaign. It was an obvious jab at the identity politics of the democratic party. Besides - regardless of how stupid it is - questioning someone's racial identity does not make one a racist. > He claimed at numerous rallies that boys would come home from school as girls without their parents knowledge. I'm sure he means that literally and there's clearly no explanation for wanting to ban the promotion of sex-reassignment to children other than being transphobic. Look, I don't like the man either and I'm nowhere near what he represents politically, but these attacks are ridiculously transparent to me and anyone who isn't so overjoyed to swallow them as truth they've become completely blind. It's fooling nobody but the already fooled. To everyone else it's actively off-putting.
    - possibleworlds 2y ago
      Trump’s platform and policy plan is actively transphobic, is it rhetoric to call this what it is? https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-to-protect-children-from-left-wing-gender-insanity https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-... I agree that you can’t generalise, since there are many voters who are simply not aware of positions / policy like the above. Having said that there are plenty who are, and they love to troll by saying the bad part out loud then dissembling through hand waving or claims of irony or victimhood. Off-topic rant… I’ve seen identity politics mentioned over and over again the past 24 hrs. I don’t know what the definition is, but promising to dismantle the legal and medical apparatus surrounding an entire identity sure looks like identity politics to me. And personally, the only time I am exposed to any form of identity politics is when I see conservatives screeching about the topic whilst espousing heavily political opinions on why they don’t like certain identities.
fargle 2y ago
> his criminal behaviour openly going after him that way and trying to "destroy" him (letisha), using the legal system as a bludgeon for political reasons was a huge mistake. so this continuously worked for him, not against. you could take anybody of any party and find a venue somewhere in the country with a cooperative DA and get a jury to convict on some felony. [1] people realize this and aren't fooled. so it just isn't done. it probably isn't done more because it's a self-own than because it's morally wrong, but that's politics. the ends certainly do not justify the means, but regardless it's also an incredibly stupid strategy. > racist and transphobic views unfortunately, these words, as well as "nazi" and "fascist" have been misused, abused, and overused to the point of utter uselessness. so now it's far to easy for people to just say "maybe i don't like DEI or i do like having police dept. so apparently makes me a 'literally violent racist' now. this is just more of that same vitriol, ignoring it" trump did not win the election. he just stood around while the radicals and extremists on the left lost it for themselves. bigly. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_give_you_the_case_against_him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_giv...
- result2vino 2y ago
  > unfortunately, these words, as well as "nazi" and "fascist" have been misused, abused, and overused to the point of utter uselessness. Yep. The ‘Twitter Left’ (pejorative) royally shit the bed with this one. Their unbridled vitriol contributed heavily to the overall ‘no words mean anything anymore’ nature of US politics. It’s really the primary way that the Left contributed to the whole phenomenon. Dare point out that something someone did isn’t actually ‘fascist’, and dare suggest that the implication only serves to muddy the waters, and you’ll be chastised by someone that in all likelihood isn’t as much of a ‘radical leftist’ as you in any meaningful way. I hope the loud kids are happy with where we’ve ended up. Evidently so, because it’s only gotten worse.
- ncr100 2y ago
  Post truth. There's a philosopher of Vlad vexler which talks about this as being a major descriptor for our current time. Post truth. As in people can lie, other people will expect they are lying, and still promote The liar.
yashg 2y ago
When the Access Hollywood tape came out back in 2016 I thought his campaign was over. How can someone who openly boasts about sexually assaulting women, ever be considered for any public office, let alone the most powerful office in the world? In most countries of the world a scandal of that scale would end a politician's career instantly. But not in the US. Not for him at least. I just can't understand how anyone can separate his character flaws from his policy and think he cares for anyone but himself.
ergocoder 2y ago
I watched his McDonald's video, and he was coming off as racist at all. He interacted with black employees like a regular person.

Even if you support his economic approach, for example, wouldn't his criminal behaviour, or his racist and transphobic views disqualify him? One does not wash away the other.

pm90 2y ago

The American people have clearly spoken that those are not in fact disqualifying.

jimmydoe 2y ago
why would any one care? a world leader will have blood on his hands, one way or another
- fourside 2y ago
  Because there’s varying degrees of corruption. If you had to choose between living under American leadership vs North Korean, wouldn’t you have a preference or are they the same because neither is perfect?
- igetspam 2y ago
  But should they start with sexual assault on their hands?

mp05 2y ago

My two life-long democrat friends that voted for Trump just got tired of this shit , right here. They just don't believe it anymore. Even Andrew Cuomo admitted that Trump was subject to lawfare in New York. But go on, don't ask questions or think critically.

saulpw 2y ago
I've listened to what he said, firsthand and frequently. He's deliberately divisive and uses racist and violent rhetoric whenever possible (even in the last week of the election). 8 years ago I was open to attacks against him being fearmongering and then I lived through 4 years of his presidency. Not everything people say about him is true, but the vast majority is. It is difficult to justify "got tired of this shit" as though it's not true, when a large number of his own former cabinet members AND his own former vice president refused to endorse him, saying that he is unfit for office. I mean, come on.
- mp05 2y ago
  > I mean, come on. Well when you put it like that. But really, it's interesting how this time around my entire Puerto Rican side of the family voted for Trump. All lifelong democrats too. These folks are the core of the country: Teamsters members, paraprofessionals, and mid-tier civil servants. They laughed at the joke about the pile of trash. They left Puerto Rico in the 60s for a reason. As much as you don't like to admit it, your idea of "divisive" and "racist" and "violent" is based on a subjective standard. It just is. A lot of people disagree or don't find it offensive enough to care. I can't stress this part enough; these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. This is all to try and point out that this is a great time for the Democrats of America to take a hard look in the mirror and realize that, if this guy is so bad, then how the hell did he win so convincingly? I'll give you a hint but it involves the fact that a lot of these demonized Trump voters are, indeed, very fine people that would give you the shirt of their backs if you needed it.
  - runako 2y ago
    > these are the actual majority of America as indicated yesterday. Less than a third of Americans cast votes for Trump in this cycle.
    - cryptonector 2y ago
      Perhaps the same as last cycle. Those missing 15 million voters are really suggestive.
    - mp05 2y ago
      He won more votes than that other person who voted. I guess that's only the "majority" when it's convenient for the argument. So you may be technically correct but really, that's the worst kind of correct.
      - runako 2y ago
        No you're absolutely right. I was inartfully making a claim that voter apathy is a big thing, and as a result no winner can ever really claim to represent a majority of Americans. IIRC 2020 was the only election of modern times where any candidate garnered more support than "did not vote." Putting it clearly here: neither Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan garnered support of the majority of Americans. It's not a partisan argument I am making here. A form of government where a third or 40% of the governors routinely fail to exercise their duty has problems.
ncr100 2y ago
Tragically your two lifelong Democrat friends are illogical. And now they are transitively racist misogynist and transphobic because they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. He was legally convicted of sexual misconduct with E Jene Carroll. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of guilty. The Democrat friends of yours who support that sexual abuser are now using United States budget to pay the salary for this abuser. Logically their hands are dirty now.
- Etherlord87 2y ago
  I was sure this comment is a parody but the last sentence doesn't quite fit. Either way, it is such mouth foaming of the wokespeople that fuels the right. For example: > they're literally paying a guy to enact those policies and views. Not literally, no. There are so many layers of indirection, that you could as well say everyone using money pays a guy... Either way, this applies in the same extent to people who voted for Kamala Harris so I guess we can say from now on, that Kamala voters literally pay to enact misogynist and transphobic policies and views. Keep demonizing Trump voters, it will surely convince them to not vote Trump ;)(well they can't vote him on the 3rd term, but if you demonize them, they will sure continue voting against you).

chmod775 2y ago

I'd expect plenty of people voted Trump just to spite this kind of rhetoric.

chrishare 2y ago
What rhetoric is that? He's a felon. He questioned Harris' racial identity during the campaign. He claimed at numerous rallies that boys would come home from school as girls without their parents knowledge.
- raincom 2y ago
  Felon, as long as appeal courts don't overturn that felony verdict.
- chmod775 2y ago
  > What rhetoric is that? It is rhetoric that tries to paint the picture that his supporters must be racist and transphobic, or at the very least tries to create a chilling effect where people are afraid to come out in his support for fear of being labelled as such. > He questioned Harris' racial identity during the campaign. It was an obvious jab at the identity politics of the democratic party. Besides - regardless of how stupid it is - questioning someone's racial identity does not make one a racist. > He claimed at numerous rallies that boys would come home from school as girls without their parents knowledge. I'm sure he means that literally and there's clearly no explanation for wanting to ban the promotion of sex-reassignment to children other than being transphobic. Look, I don't like the man either and I'm nowhere near what he represents politically, but these attacks are ridiculously transparent to me and anyone who isn't so overjoyed to swallow them as truth they've become completely blind. It's fooling nobody but the already fooled. To everyone else it's actively off-putting.
  - possibleworlds 2y ago
    Trump’s platform and policy plan is actively transphobic, is it rhetoric to call this what it is? https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-to-protect-children-from-left-wing-gender-insanity https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-... I agree that you can’t generalise, since there are many voters who are simply not aware of positions / policy like the above. Having said that there are plenty who are, and they love to troll by saying the bad part out loud then dissembling through hand waving or claims of irony or victimhood. Off-topic rant… I’ve seen identity politics mentioned over and over again the past 24 hrs. I don’t know what the definition is, but promising to dismantle the legal and medical apparatus surrounding an entire identity sure looks like identity politics to me. And personally, the only time I am exposed to any form of identity politics is when I see conservatives screeching about the topic whilst espousing heavily political opinions on why they don’t like certain identities.

fargle 2y ago

> his criminal behaviour openly going after him that way and trying to "destroy" him (letisha), using the legal system as a bludgeon for political reasons was a huge mistake. so this continuously worked for him, not against. you could take anybody of any party and find a venue somewhere in the country with a cooperative DA and get a jury to convict on some felony. [1] people realize this and aren't fooled. so it just isn't done. it probably isn't done more because it's a self-own than because it's morally wrong, but that's politics. the ends certainly do not justify the means, but regardless it's also an incredibly stupid strategy. > racist and transphobic views unfortunately, these words, as well as "nazi" and "fascist" have been misused, abused, and overused to the point of utter uselessness. so now it's far to easy for people to just say "maybe i don't like DEI or i do like having police dept. so apparently makes me a 'literally violent racist' now. this is just more of that same vitriol, ignoring it" trump did not win the election. he just stood around while the radicals and extremists on the left lost it for themselves. bigly. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_give_you_the_case_against_him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_giv...

result2vino 2y ago
> unfortunately, these words, as well as "nazi" and "fascist" have been misused, abused, and overused to the point of utter uselessness. Yep. The ‘Twitter Left’ (pejorative) royally shit the bed with this one. Their unbridled vitriol contributed heavily to the overall ‘no words mean anything anymore’ nature of US politics. It’s really the primary way that the Left contributed to the whole phenomenon. Dare point out that something someone did isn’t actually ‘fascist’, and dare suggest that the implication only serves to muddy the waters, and you’ll be chastised by someone that in all likelihood isn’t as much of a ‘radical leftist’ as you in any meaningful way. I hope the loud kids are happy with where we’ve ended up. Evidently so, because it’s only gotten worse.
ncr100 2y ago
Post truth. There's a philosopher of Vlad vexler which talks about this as being a major descriptor for our current time. Post truth. As in people can lie, other people will expect they are lying, and still promote The liar.

yashg 2y ago

When the Access Hollywood tape came out back in 2016 I thought his campaign was over. How can someone who openly boasts about sexually assaulting women, ever be considered for any public office, let alone the most powerful office in the world? In most countries of the world a scandal of that scale would end a politician's career instantly. But not in the US. Not for him at least. I just can't understand how anyone can separate his character flaws from his policy and think he cares for anyone but himself.

ergocoder 2y ago

I watched his McDonald's video, and he was coming off as racist at all. He interacted with black employees like a regular person.